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  • ETC 2019 Lists

    Kathal - - ETC

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    Quote from Klexe: “KoE currently stands on ONE crutch. Remove it and... Well... Then we can at least say etc 2019 had many KoE lists in comparison to 2020 KoE is like a spider with one leg... You should repair the other 7 and not trim the last one standing ” Speaking from a historically pov (especially since we had this for several different armies over the last years): Sometimes it is better to axe the last leg and than look, what needs to be done. Yeah, it hurts as heck, but is way easier to a…

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    @DanT, don't get me wrong, you can build this army to have a decent to good match-up against all those Monstrous things out there, but it will lose a ton of points against all those armies it used to crush. Without a Pyro Master suddenly most Elf lists are an nightmare (cause they hit better and harder, both in shooting as combat). If I would have run the Immortal brick I had considered running (- Bull Vizier, Goblin Chief, Taurukhs, 2x Bolt Throwers, + Overlord (GW, Steel Skin, Dragonfire Gem) …

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    So, list feedback: 545 - 1x Prophet, Wizard Master, Pyromancy, General, Tablet of Ashuruk, Magical Heirloom 330 - 1x Vizier, BSB, Shield, Talisman of the Void, Icon of the Inferno 520 - 1x Vizier, Bull of Shamut, Shield, Hero's Heart, Ghostly Guard, Talisman of Shielding 120 - 2x1 Hobgoblin Chieftain, Wolf 300 - 3x10 Citadel Guard, Flintlock Axe, Shield, Musician 233 - 1x16 Infernal Warriors, Shield, Musican 216 - 1x6 Taurukhs, Shield, Infernal Weapons 150 - 2x1 Gunnery Team, Volley Gun 95 - 2x1…

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Kathal: “There are a couple of other things (WM, Metagame (Monsters -> Inf -> Monstrous),...) that I haven't mentioned yet, but had to leave to catch the bus, so in 2-3 days I will adress those. ” To finish that part: 4) Metagame: The metagame evolved a lot over the last 10 years. From a former very block centric style (start of 8th) towards Monsters (early phase of 8th cause of Thunderstomp and the huge amounts of Inf) towards the Monstrous stuff (Monstrous Cavalry especially in the …

  • ETC 2019 Lists

    Kathal - - ETC

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    McDonalds? From my phone

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    There are a couple of other things (WM, Metagame (Monsters -> Inf -> Monstrous),...) that I haven't mentioned yet, but had to leave to catch the bus, so in 2-3 days I will adress those. From my phone

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Traumdieb: “To both quotes: There must be a reason why only one of the top 10 teams fielded ID, with a poor result in that case btw. Especially that most ID-lists are a very good counter vs. some popular armies like Vermin Swarms, Sylvian Elfs... So maybe ask the Topteams, why they did not field Infernal Dwarfs. ” There are multiple answers to this, which are all correct in some form and also wrong, cause it is not a clear cut answer: a) Perceptive Metagame was bad for ID, which is es…

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    The double Tomp Reaper list is worse, since it is basically a coinflip in both directions (won that match-up 20-0 already, but also lost it 20-0). The reason for this is, that they have Flying and thus you usually only have 3 turns to kill a whole unit and find ways to deal with the other one. Every other list is basically a good match-up, especially the Shabti Archer lists are stupendiously good, the Shooting is irrelevant and they cannot fight. So yeah, double Tomp Reaper is iffy (cause of the…

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Tyranno: “Here is one thing we can glean, along with ID's overall poor results, very few of the top teams even wanted them in their lineup. Only 2 in the top 12, and ID were the only army absent from the top 6. ” And this is what I do not understand at all, the Pyro build (something I have played) is bonkers against so many different armies, especially the boogeyman of VS and DL. Than again, historically speaking ID were never a popular army, even when they were broken as heck (1.0). …

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Tyranno: “I don't remember seeing you make such a post. ” I know I made a post about my ID and what I think about other ID's, but no idea where my post went, have to dig around a little bit (could be that it got accidentally deleted). Edit says: I know, I'm not a madman: ID General Chat ID General Chat @Tyranno Greetings, Kathal

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Tl;dr Battle Reps, might do longer later (maybe) Round 1 vs Serbia with OnG If somebody ever played the Pyro Gunline vs OnG (especially that Infantry build) knows, that the match-up is free. Sadly I was like 7pts short for a 20-0 since I wasn't able to get all the Iron Orcs (4 survived since his BSB duked it out with my Bull of Shamut Vizier for 4 Combat turns…). Highlight: Getting only three spells through turn 1-3 (2x Haze, 1x Fireball on chaff), Turn 3 killing all the Feral 'Eadbashers basica…

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Herminard: “Quote from Kathal: “yeah ” Epic trip - the kind of stuff a nerd can only fantasize of ” Same on my end, my dear friend Next year (if I can make it) it will be easier for me to go for another night, driving all the way down (with the week I had) had quite a toll on me on night 1 and 2 . Still sad, that I couldn't participate in another (epic) night, and I just learned, that I was apparently the only guy (in our team), who had no Mead Quote from Tyranno: “Interesting, care t…

  • ETC 2019 - ID Lists

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    77 points, should have been 97, but yeah From my phone

  • ETC 2019 Lists

    Kathal - - ETC

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    Fixed it for you Quote from Herminard: “Also we are trying this naive thing called Battle Lines, and our cunning plan to make them playable is to take them to ETC -> do absymal with it get carried by the team -> dodge nerfs -> ??? -> profit ” Greetings, Kathal

  • ID General Chat

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    So context for my list (as per tradition): (Hidden Content) So, if you compare the list I played last year to this year, you will notice that there are basically only 1 major difference: No Alchemi Adept but an Bull Vizier. Reason for this is simple: The amount of times I casted an Alchemy spell in that hand can be counted by one hand, and more often than not it was not even really necessary, since I only wanted the attribute to begin with. Hence, no reason to play him. However, what I DID notic…

  • ID General Chat

    Kathal - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    @All, as per "tradition", I will do a rundown later of my list. Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Triple Flintlock core is back at the height of fashion (an average of two units per list), although Backstabbers make their first appearance in any of the tournaments I've done this for (thanks DanT - you inspired someone to copy your list ). ” The nice thing with Flintlock Core is, that it is just so smooth. It gives you range output (which is not "WM" based) while not sucking in combat. Also, they are gre…

  • ETC 2019 Lists

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    Quote from Fnarrr: “You take KoE list full of knights. Alchemy is skewed against you. ” To be honest, Alchemy is irrelevant against a full Knights army, the damage it deals on average is lower than a Pyro + Icon Magic phase e.g. Having only one spell, which really matters sucks. Alchemy is only good, if the army only has a few soft targets to it, like a STank + Knights of the Sun Griffon, 2x Chosen Knights,... Greetings, Kathal

  • ETC 2019 Lists

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    Quote from Frederick: “Haven’t seen any of those lists you describe in quiet a while, because they do not make sense and do not cut it. You can not force matchups, not even with teams of 5 or 8 and thus lists in team events need to be as flexible as in singles and are kind of in no way different when you want to be successful. If you do not want to be successful balance should not care, so I stick with my point of view ” All my ETC lists so far... Those are nigh unplayable in single tournaments …

  • ETC 2019 Lists

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    Quote from clorens: “Quote from berti: “Because the weakness on minos... low Def ws... is totally taken away due to allowing them shields with a wrong price tag. ” longhorns have def4 and are hardly used ” But they do not have Parry, that is the difference. Also, their footprint is a problem. Quote from Mirdhynn: “Also less and less wildhorns. .. ” Cause Spears > Paired Weapons atm. Greetings, Kathal

  • ETC 2019 Lists

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    Quote from piteglio: “@Little Joe Austria 5 vs Montenegro 2 ” Care to explain? (playing for team AUT, hence I'm a little bit curious) Greetings, Kathal