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  • Honestly, just give them throwing weapons if they can't have pistols. -You can stash throwing weapons in a belt or sash for easy carrying while being a sailor and doing things like climbing rigging. -Reduces complexity, creating more room for interesting designs elsewhere. -They've had throwing weapons in the past without 'invalidating models', so avoids that concern. -Slightly less range, but can be buffed by +1S spells, and it's probably easier to price.

  • Quote from Darock: “Quote from setrius: “Quote from Giladis: “I would not be so quick to make such statements. For average Joe Legionnaire when they get home from a campaign the most likely activity they will be doing is farming. Then there will artists, poets, carpenters, jewellers etc... I really do not see DE inferior to HE in such matter. ” Power word: Slaves.That is all ” If I remember right... HE have some non-elven Kingdoms which they kind of control. Bit like England controlled India for…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Elves having meaningful parallels to Haber-Bosch or Borlaug is reasonable. Not necessarily the case, but not something I'd expect the BGT to rule out out of hand, particularly if it fixed a setting hole. ” ...You might want to look up what Haber-Bosch actually entails before so blithely passing it off as something elves could be doing. Pretty sure doing that magically would violate the routine and pervasive use of magi…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Elves having meaningful parallels to Haber-Bosch or Borlaug is reasonable. Not necessarily the case, but not something I'd expect the BGT to rule out out of hand, particularly if it fixed a setting hole. ” ... You might want to look up what Haber-Bosch actually entails before so blithely passing it off as something elves could be doing. Pretty sure doing that magically would violate the routine and pervasive use of magic. (And do you know how much fertilizer modern farm…

  • Quote from Phaeoron: “I don't, if you were talking to me. I expect HE and DE to be in the same power tier regarding unit prowess, where HE have the advantage in Discipline- and strategy-based approach and DE being more individually skilled in combat. SE could be the most elite spear unit when looking at models without their points costs, since their whole job is guarding the realm and their kin from the dangers of the magical forests they inhabit (and since you can't clear fields in a sentient f…

  • Quote from echoCTRL: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “Quote from echoCTRL: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “Quote from Darock: “Are Legionnaires professional soldiers? I always thought DE are more early Roman Army Style. So before the Marian Reforms. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_reforms That would mean the Legionaries are NOT professional soldiers but some levy troops who have to pay for their own equipment. Or did I messed the background up? ” They go to academy and are professionally trained.At least some…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Medieval food production was labour intensive. Modern farming is... different. A population that has mastered later era farming techniques has far fewer farmers per capita. 21st century earth is capable of having settlements that feed themselves via dilettante gardeners even without the most industrial aspects being applied. Knowledge is a significant agricultural force multiplier. And dat empire. When you have a highly skilled populace capable of superior crafting capa…

  • Quote from The Changing Constant: “@Squirrelloid, OnG does not have 4+ core infantry. ” Common orcs, HA + xbow, give them shields = 4+ last i checked. (With xbows no less).

  • Quote from echoCTRL: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “Quote from Darock: “Are Legionnaires professional soldiers? I always thought DE are more early Roman Army Style. So before the Marian Reforms. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_reforms That would mean the Legionaries are NOT professional soldiers but some levy troops who have to pay for their own equipment. Or did I messed the background up? ” They go to academy and are professionally trained.At least some of their weapons are provided by the state. The…

  • Quote from Cam: “@Squirrelloid. 4+ in core is dwarf/infernal/saurian territory and just behind Warriors. These are supposed to be some of the strongest armoured armies too. ” It's not just about core. DH has 3+ infantry. ID has 3+ infantry in core. SA has 3+ infantry. Warriors has 3+ infantry in core and 1+ cavalry. Orcs have 4+ core infantry (and as 3+ infantry in special)! HbE has 2+ in core (and 4+ infantry in special), as does KoE. (Cavalry, but it's still core, and they can just not take in…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “Quote from Giladis: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “saying 'these should be equivalent' ” I am not saying they should be equivalent, there are certainly differences but they are not as stark as "professional soldiers vs peasant conscripts".A HE Citizen is supposed to be a skilled combatant in what they do (do keep in mind what they do will be properly fleshed out in the HE LAB rather than comparing what is in the 2.0 HE SAB), at the same time a DE L…

  • Quote from Darock: “Are Legionnaires professional soldiers? I always thought DE are more early Roman Army Style. So before the Marian Reforms. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_reforms That would mean the Legionaries are NOT professional soldiers but some levy troops who have to pay for their own equipment. Or did I messed the background up? ” They go to academy and are professionally trained. At least some of their weapons are provided by the state. Their armor might be as well, I can't remember. Th…

  • Quote from Giladis: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “saying 'these should be equivalent' ” I am not saying they should be equivalent, there are certainly differences but they are not as stark as "professional soldiers vs peasant conscripts". A HE Citizen is supposed to be a skilled combatant in what they do (do keep in mind what they do will be properly fleshed out in the HE LAB rather than comparing what is in the 2.0 HE SAB), at the same time a DE Legionnaire is supposed to be a skilled combatant in…

  • To me, it's not just about the 'good equipment' line. -Legionnaires are professional soldiers with extensive training. -DE society clearly makes Heavy Armor in quantity. DK, Executioners, and TG all have it. Executioners and DK aren't even academy trained. -There's no reason not to give decent armor to your professional forces that comprise the bulk of your military. Especially when cult forces can acquire it easily. Even more so when your society is investing heavily into military power. -DE is…

  • Quote from Giladis: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “They'd start to feel like the professional soldiers they are. They currently feel like peasant conscripts. (HbE has peasant conscripts that outperform them in an equal fight). ” Both DE Legionnaires and HE Citizen Spears fall into the same category of "population under arms". One drawing inspiration from early to middle Roman republic and the other drawing inspiration from greek polises such a Athens, Corinth, Syracuse or Thebes. Where the two diffe…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “This has gone in circles. I'm out. Mostly. One last point: 4+ is not twice as durable as 5+ vs. AP1. 3+ is twice as durable as 6+ vs. AP1. Going from taking 5/6 of wounding hits to 4/6 of wounding hits is not doubling; it is in fact (if my brain is doing the math right, a 25% increase in durability). Relevant, but not double. ” You save 100% more models going from 5+ to 4+ against AP1. That's what I meant.

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “1) no, not official. 2) super muddied. Back to SQ: sure. If there's 4 tiers DE should probably be tier 3. As per the guidelines DE should not be bottom tier but should *definitely* not be top tier (a stronger statement). In a 4 tier system that is somewhere in tier 3. And a 4+ only vs ranged is somwhere berween a full 4+ and a 5+... and VS are not a LAB book yet so don't be surprised if VG don't stay as a quasi 4+ core unit. Most of your complaints revolve around indivi…

  • Quote from echoCTRL: “What would be achieved by having 4+AS Legionaires? How would it change the way you play with rhem? ” They'd start to feel like the professional soldiers they are. They currently feel like peasant conscripts. (HbE has peasant conscripts that outperform them in an equal fight). This is the kind of change that would stand out and communicate that DE doesn't just round up peasants to use in battle. (Probably not sufficient on its own, but making DE spear elves relatively elite …

  • Quote from matrim: “@Squirrelloid do you think we should also consider resilience values in this armour discussion as effectively Res4 and 5+ is much better protection than res3 and 5+ Would that be muddying the waters too much? ” I think it muddies the waters. R is a different 'identifying metric' that gets ranked separately. It does so happen that total defense increases non-linearly with the two (they're multiplicative, literally). But considering total defensiveness is not how RT talks about…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “The guideline was specifically "no 4+ infantry in core". Bumping Corsairs to Special and making them an elite unit with 4+ armour (adding some special rules to make them worth it) would put DE firmly back into the middle of the pack on armour, yes? (not saying that's what's going to happen, just using it as a simple brute force example) Quote from Squirrelloid: “DH, ID, OnG, SA, VS, and WDGall have 4+ or better infantry in core. Pretending 4+ infantry is exceptional is …