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  • Quote from imperialengineer: “@Wesser I don't think it's fair to categorically say UD far out raised VC. I don't have the math in front of me, but I have never felt like I out raised my VC opponents. Yes, UD have an advantage in the range at which a single caster can heal, but in sheer numbers of bodies raised I'd be surprised if UD can out raise VC regularly. ” To be able to augment and heal in one is/was far superior to the way VC heal. What i don't like about what they did to the UD healing a…

  • Quote from setepenmentou: “Quote from Slayer Zabojcow: “Don't you think that free healing attribute with no additional cost was a little too good? Even VC if they want to heal, they just heal, no extra effects from spells there. ” This is one of the reason a skeleton cost the same price as a barbarian in WoDG, and CV resurrect more models.May be add a +1 for large or +2 for gigantic ” Sounds reasonable.

  • Quote from Wesser: “Just went over ETC lists: Average list is now 4556 points (58 points more than the average list before patch) Most Expensive list is now 4605 points ” whereas the underpowered list I took to my last tournament was 20 points cheaper (basically thanks to the dragon decrease)!

  • Quote from Grouchy Badger: “Quote from VampsinMD: “@Grouchy Badger kit?! ” heres both of them. One with heavy armor was kickin [Redacted] in. Unfortunately I lost the first game to crumble. Vampire Count [770pts]: Army General, Commandment, Evocation, Heavy Armour, Lamia Bloodline, Shield, Wizard Adept . Special Equipment: Cursed Medallion, Legend of the Black King, True Thirst - Vampire Counts and Courtiers Only Vampire Count [710pts]: Evocation, Lamia Bloodline, Light Armour, Mesmerising Gaze,…

  • @Grouchy Badger kit?!

  • The nerf to H seems harsh... The hourglass was very powerful before this update and everyone following the meta knew it was taking a nerf. However, with the nerf to H the hourglass takes a double nerf. Even with a reroll its hard to 2-dice spells that are 2 harder to cast so it seems like you would mostly use the hourglass when you didn't need to heal, otherwise just accept the increased risk of failing. I think the reason the hourglass was so powerful was because it decreased risk... now the sh…

  • Quote from Giladis: “Quote from VampsinMD: “When you look at the new cost structure is there a meaningful difference from the previous? ” Maybe not now, but about the next pricing update or one after that. It is easier to do it now that keep some backlog that can be lost of "this unit should be X but we kept it at Y until X becomes Z". ” A valid answer to a valid question. I can accept that. I also understand why some people find it a bit frustrating. Thanks for weighing in with some of the proj…

  • Quote from Giladis: “A question for people that are commenting on non-even numbers. If one of the goals of the T9A is to get the best balanced game possible with the tools we have available why would we not use the entirety of the value scale? Btw the doubling of point some time back was among other things to allow such incremental changes to the value of units. ” Overall, I agree with this sentiment -the whole value scale should be used for pricing/balancing. That's why its there. However, look…

  • it looks to me like VC made out okay. Points drop for all vampire count mounts is a surprise to me. Guess foot builds have been very popular. interesting possibilities now. As has been said, the Vamp Knight changes are nonsensical. How are we feeling about the Cadaver Wagon now? Went from 400 > 350 > 310. Personally, I still think it's high but I think it's actually entered the realm of consideration.... maybe. @Vamp87, true about Arcane Knowledge for Nosferatu but BM reduce by the same amount o…

  • Quote from Marcos24: “Might divine justice combo officially removed ” Ok, now you can ignore it Quote from Ciara: “So black coach possibly healing from 1 to 5 wounds in one turn? Nice game. ” We were talking about changing the mechanic but if we did change it to a dice roll per wound then sure... some vampiric values may have to change. Also, see that we have talked about removing the rea value so no way to heal outside of combat... I think playstyle and making vampiric meaningful is really driv…

  • Quote from Grammy: “My big losses were not consequences of the list being bad, but poor judgement on my part: - against BH, I misjudged the matchup and thought I coul hold for a few turns in combat and therefore contest the objective which was totally false. Minos blow through barrow guard just like they would chew through zombies - against HBE: bad deployment, he had 2 dragons and I spreaded my army too much so he could position them easily and almost take my units 1 by 1 - against WDG: the bar…

  • Quote from Grouchy Badger: “Quote from Marcos24: “I think we all know that KoE’s Might+Divine Judgement combo will disappear seeing as many KoE and non-KoE people agreed it’s OP. So ignore that one ” Negative. I can only address what I have tested. ” yup, probs best not to ignore it while its still out there one-shotting monsters, units of large infantry/cav and charcaters!

  • Quote from Grouchy Badger: “Quote from VampsinMD: “Then you'd have a portion of your army not shackled to arise ” I [redacted] hate this. It really is true. ” yeah, I think it would kind of make sense to have the part of the army that doesnt need the march bubble also not need arise to heal. if you get rid of their rea value its pretty much an even trade

  • When I read this thread I can't stop thinking about how in the last competitive game I played I was losing so started to take risks and my independent vampire count with True Thirst ended up dying to a rear charge from 2 HBE archers. yup, 2 archers! Did a total 0 wounds and crumbled before archers even had attacked. Irrespective of that anecdote, making vampiric relevant would be fantastic for the feel of the army and should be a top objective of the LAB team. I could even go for removing the re…

  • I'm sorry @GenePhelps, I have to drop. Work/school (its the same thing at this point). I thought this would be my year to come down bc it was a week later than previous years but I can't make it work. Wishing you and the MA crew another successful and fun event!

  • thanks @Just_Flo!

  • Sorry @DanT, I know you are no longer staff but i am used to seeing your insights around the forum!

  • @DanT, So am I correct in thinking that most points changes will be made based on the tournament data that is available for us all to see on the army sub-forums? Also, do you know how the project handles points changes as they relate to army identity? e.g. vampire counts and zombies were taken much more than the mean for their categories. Imo that is because they are staples of the army. One who wants to play vampires, typically wants to take a vampire count and if they are equally competitive w…

  • Quote from DanT: “Quote from VampsinMD: “Was anyone a bit surprised by other faction's tiers? I was surprised HBE were clearly last. I had them pegged as the strongest of the three elf armies. DH in lower also comes as a surprise to me. ” You should tell the HBE forum this ” No doubt! And I'm sure the project is spot on with their macro-view... In my meta HBE are more represented than the other elf factions and in my personal experience they tend to be tougher, mostly because of their potent mag…

  • Was anyone a bit surprised by other faction's tiers? I was surprised HBE were clearly last. I had them pegged as the strongest of the three elf armies. DH in lower also comes as a surprise to me. As for VC points adjustments, Cadaver wagon and fell wraith were just never taken. I'm sure they will get points drop if ACS does not say a word about them. Agree with @hugomac that an additional black knight reduction is probably warranted. On the other side, tournament data would support increases to …