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  • Patch 2.1 Beta Feedback

    Wesser - - Vampire Covenant (VC)

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    Quote from Adam: “It doesn't sound that strong to me, you are nearly forced to make dragon to be general (due to horror march problems and the aggressive nature of 3 monster list) and that makes for one super juicy target - which if dies crumbles both horrors with him with high reliability. So that makes your 6W dragon roughly 2k VP target. ” Well put I worry about whether it could become one of those RPS builds (OP against WDG, but horrid against DH), but lets have the tables talk

  • Quote from Everwind: “I am new to the game, and price drops are nice, but I am not sure what adding an additional 50 points or so is going to do to competitive balance. Maybe it adds more diversity, but the units are the units, their strengths and weaknesses have not really changed. The only thing that really would change SEs to a more balanced and competitive army from what I have seen is making shooting more relevant. I would love the ability to enhance the SEs with Master Archer, Poison, and …

  • Patch 2.1 Beta Feedback

    Wesser - - Vampire Covenant (VC)

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    Quote from Arthur: “I was asking if someone consciously made the decision to allow it, or if it was just an oversight? You seem to be suggesting it was the latter? It would be a complete paradigm shift for T9A to allow 3 flying terror causing thunderstompers in the same army. That's why I'm asking ” I can certainly ask about it, but I doubt anyone went through every potential combination. It is what beta is for And oversight? Strong? Paradigm shift? Too early to tell. If you’re concerned about t…

  • Patch 2.1 Beta Feedback

    Wesser - - Vampire Covenant (VC)

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    Quote from Arthur: “Saw a double Tbat + Dragon list in action earlier today. It was a beautiful list, but I do feel this archetype might be a tad powerful. Was its newfound existence considered in the implementation of the update? ” Data-driven process But a major part of the beta is finding any such problem - if indeed a problem it is. Bit too early for me to say at least.

  • Wesser's Battle Report Thread

    Wesser - - Battle Reports

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    Quote from Fleshbeast: “FDE taking 8 Forest guard with Res6! Massive! Your opponents dice must have been on fire! ” Quite. In fact Res6 didn't do a single thing as he rolled 4+ on 8/9 rolls that combat Oh and played against DL yesterday. Heath Riders with Healing Waters managing to bag a Miser and Omen, and only Wrath of the Gods could stand before the Bladedancers. The list does seem to have an issue with Scoring though...

  • SE vs WDG 12:8 Counter thrust, Secure target (Drawn objective) MVP: Treefather (the one who killed a WDG Lord and Shadowchaser Chief and chased of Batherine Sorc with unit) LVP: Other Treefather, who failed every sort of roll he could..grrr SE vs DL 14:6 (objective lost) Counter thrust, Hold the Ground MVP: Heath Riders! Killed MIser and Omen LVP: Heath Hunters

  • Patch 2.1 Beta Feedback

    Wesser - - Vampire Covenant (VC)

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    Quote from Adam: “Is there any info why VonK and Altars didn't get serious discount? Afair they are pretty much extinct. ” No, every option wasnt looked at, and I know as much as you regarding what entries were looked at

  • Ghasts are not Scoring either, nor Sand Stalkers I think, but thats maybe about it...

  • And while Independents are popular taking Arcane Knowledge means limiting yourself from certain things in the VC book...

  • Quote from Izomov: “Quote from Wesser: “Quote from Izomov: “Quote from Wesser: “ ” Because.. math doesn't tell us what the combined overall effect of the various changes will be. There's no question UD magic will be weaker, but will it be too weak? ” ” Ah, I think we have run afoul of one another.I am not talking about the change from 2.0 to 2.1. 2.0 Hourglass was horribly strong for its cost. My argument is this: 2.1, the Hourglass nets us fewer successful casts of the hereditary than playing w…

  • Quote from Izomov: “Quote from Wesser: “How about playing the game and letting your ACS know? It's beta.. so go an arm your ACS with solid arguments and data. Declaring something new to be bad without testing is something that can be safely ignored ” Because, this particular point of the game is pure math? There is no esoteric component like movement, or unit match ups.How is the fact that a 120pt magic item means less ressurected models not a solid, data driven argument? Because.. math doesn't …

  • Quote from Izomov: “Quote from Wesser: “Quote from setepenmentou: “Quote from Wesser: “Oh, how awful. Instead of ultra-reliable magic and no risk of misscast UD have to dice-manage like every other army? Lets just see how beta turns out ” Reliable magic is part of our ASAW list I remember :p ” Hourglass is still there and so is Soul Conduit? Whats the problem? ” Problem is, you are spending 145 points for no value. Without hourglass, on an 9 die phase, you can try casting 3 spells, 2 of which yo…

  • We need more 9th Age background I need another world to live in if models like that is raising stock price...

  • Quote from setepenmentou: “Quote from Wesser: “Oh, how awful. Instead of ultra-reliable magic and no risk of misscast UD have to dice-manage like every other army? Lets just see how beta turns out ” Reliable magic is part of our ASAW list I remember :p ” Hourglass is still there and so is Soul Conduit? Whats the problem?

  • Quote from IHDarklord: “Quote from Wesser: “Quote from imperialengineer: “This change isn't just about how much raising can get done, it's also the overall effect on the magic phase. Using more dice means fewer spells attempted and cast meaning less healing and buffs. Also, higher casting value means more failures even if you throw more dice and it doesn't take many bad dice to ruin a magic phase as it is. Oh, already played enough games to determine that empirically? Or just theorycrafting? ” ”…

  • Quote from imperialengineer: “@Wesser I don't think it's fair to categorically say UD far out raised VC. I don't have the math in front of me, but I have never felt like I out raised my VC opponents. Yes, UD have an advantage in the range at which a single caster can heal, but in sheer numbers of bodies raised I'd be surprised if UD can out raise VC regularly. There was point-for-point comparison somewhere. Showed UD healing for Way more due to higher heal values on elites This change isn't just…

  • Quote from imperialengineer: “Quote from Slayer Zabojcow: “Don't you think that free healing attribute with no additional cost was a little too good? Even VC if they want to heal, they just heal, no extra effects from spells there. ” VC also heal a ton more than UD and get an aura to heal and their characters can generate enough combat res on their own to overcome their units poor quality. I think the system UD have is unique and interesting, but with these changes it makes the whole magic phase…

  • Quote from Svarten: “Quote from Wesser: “Presumably Trolls would probably eat the objective... or something ” Eat, grab, hold. It's all the same ” Hmm if my wife sends me to bring cake for when we have guests over I don't think she'll be like "Mission Accomplished" if I eat the cake on my way home

  • Patch 2.1 Beta Feedback

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    Quote from Bloody MIsfire: “Barrow Guards are are seldom sight. Even more so with halberds. 10 points reduction is not going to change that. ” Theorycrafting... Who knows..maybe someone can make a build with MSU Barrow Guards. Keep predictions General discussion thread Quote from hugomac: “- All of my lists are cheaper. I usually run away from netlists (be it vanilla arcane knowledge counts/ lamia throne) because i like the good old blender lord (or sometimes crazy things like strigoi count moun…

  • Quote from kaisersose: “ I don't see anything broken in the book that should come up in price. ” Gnasher Herds, Chariot mount, Git Launchers and starting size on Iron Orcs would be my candidates But honestly I think there won't be much fiddling with OnG. I suspect only niche stuff like Wyvern, Shaman mounts and stuff like that will be fiddled much with. To take an example I just browsed all VC ETC lists. VC is Tier 2 and the average list now cost 4556 points, so I'd be surprised at big changes t…