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  • Closing this thread as we have the 2.1 discussion thread up. Also have a look at The UD LAB Brainstorm thread.

  • As we all know, at some point Undying Dynasties will have their full rework through the LAB process. Why wait until we have a date announced? Lets brainstorm and discuss that here. Keep it clean and constructive!

  • Quote from Litoperez: “I personally think that go for cheaper troops is not the way to go, UD is an elite army and it should continue to be so. With these new casting values evo is no longer that appealing for healing, so just cosmo left.... The best would be as Nicreap suggested to have a skill like necrons, not magic dependant, that would open the game to a completely different strategies not magic dependant.If not i rather have the same magic as VC, with 4+ easy healing spell ( in 6th edition…

  • Quote from Kdownunder: “Was doing this for fun; Full melee Karkaboi$ #1 Chosen Lord, General, Greed, Karkadan, Lance, Basalt Infusion. #2 Chosen Lord, Greed, Karkadan, Lance, Gladiator’s Spirit, Dragonbane Gem. #3 Chosen Lord, Greed, Karkadan, Lance, Alchemist Alloy. #4 Chosen Lord, Greed, Karkadan, Lance. Barb Chief on chariot, Light Lance, Shield. 16 Warriors, MS, Relentless 2x 8 Barb Horsies, Light Lance, Shield, M. 2x 5 Chosen, Halberd, C. 2x FDE Offers decent amount of speed and punch. Not …

  • Quote from Folomo: “Quote from umbranar: “Ain't the ability to be raised included in unit pricing? It's not "free" in that regard. ” Quote from Ezekiel57: “I really think this fact has to be heard by the RT. If we pay our ability to heal with CV (why not after all), we pay a vermin slave who crumbles (because no: crumbling is definitely not a good thing) called "skeleton" for 9 pts anymore. ” I suspect the reason why skeletons, cavalry, archers and NG dropped in price is due to them getting rid …

  • Ain't the ability to be raised included in unit pricing? It's not "free" in that regard.

  • Not 100% happy but just for giggles: 4x CL on Karkadan, Lust, Lance Sorc, Occulltism Master, Paired WeaponsPlate Armour, Ghostly Guard, Rod of Battle 2x 8 warhounds 20 Warriors, FC, Halberds, Pride 2x Chosen Chariot, Pride 2x 3 Feldrak, Banner of Discipline, halberds or CL on Karkadan, Lust, Lance, General, Lucky Charm 3x CL on Karkadan, Lust, Lance 2x 8 Warhounds 20 Warriors, FC, Halberds, Pride Battleshrine, Icon of the infinite 2x Chosen Chariot, Pride 3 Feldrak, Halberd, champiom 2x Giant, M…

  • Quote from Exalted Champion: “Not really sure what 4 single karkalords can do? Deliver 5A S7 each at charge? And what else? Cant kill most characters, cant take return damage with AP3 or more or lethal strike or alchemy, cant brake steadfest and dont deliver any synergy to the rest of troops. I can see that they can charge chaff or some medium threats. But thats it. ” As I look at it now and thinking of games I played, multicharge, chaff (lust yay), put pressure on the backlines. Also its 5A S7 …

  • Quote from Herminard: “Quote from umbranar: “Quote from Krokz: “OK Hunter is a very similar model as Chosen Lord on Karkadan. Sure one HP less, but very easy access to 1+ armor on the Lord to compensate that. I am sure spammed Lords on Karkadan, when cheap enough, can be a nightmare to face. But someone needs to do it, break the meta and not be in echo chamber. @DanT ? ” Hmm, I have 6 Karkadan models sitting on the shelve and this gives me an idea :pCheap Karboy CL: Karkadan, Favour of Lust, Lan…

  • Quote from wombat: “Quote from umbranar: “Which is the point of the update really. Shabti, Cataphracts, Shabti Archers, Reapers and Chariots were healed and boosted too much. The synergy combo proved to be too much (ETC lists and results are a good example). Data shows UD lists of this kind are overperforming so UD needs to take a hit in that department to get back in line. ” But unfortunately the lesser, weaker units, Skeletons, Archers, Cavalry and Scouts all of whom need to be repaired, just …

  • Quote from Krokz: “OK Hunter is a very similar model as Chosen Lord on Karkadan. Sure one HP less, but very easy access to 1+ armor on the Lord to compensate that. I am sure spammed Lords on Karkadan, when cheap enough, can be a nightmare to face. But someone needs to do it, break the meta and not be in echo chamber. @DanT ? ” Hmm, I have 6 Karkadan models sitting on the shelve and this gives me an idea :p Cheap Karboy CL: Karkadan, Favour of Lust, Lance. 1+ AS. 385 points So in 2025 character l…

  • Quote from Koller: “Quote from umbranar: “Not 2 times, 2 hit points. To me it sounds like a fine solution as well for non-standard height R&F models, if more agree I will push it as a possible solution as well. ” wouldn't that make units like Shapti (combat), Cataphracs and Reapers less attractive to take, since they are easier to wound then a Sphinx, Dreadsphinx and Colossus? ” Which is the point of the update really. Shabti, Cataphracts, Shabti Archers, Reapers and Chariots were healed and…

  • Quote from DanT: “Quote from umbranar: “I see no reason to not just throw it up there again ” Better would be to ask them what their reasons were for not picking it originally.Then to really listen to their answers, with no thought of trying to disagree or fight it, but merely to deeply understand their point of view. That is the best option. ” I'll make an attempt and get back here with an answer. Then we can decide to toss it into the mix again with some motivation, I have already used @Folomo…

  • Quote from DanT: “Quote from imperialengineer: “I'm in favor of a cap on raising large models. Simply add it to the list of models that can only raise two Hp a turn. ” Quote from Koller: “I like the idea of giving the H spell the same restriction as the Characters and tower presence,s. ” I suggested this in the other thread weeks ago.I suspect RT have some reasons for choosing the solution they have chosen over it. ” I see no reason to not just throw it up there again

  • Quote from imperialengineer: “I'm in favor of a cap on raising large models. Simply add it to the list of models that can only raise two Hp a turn. It is a much simpler change and a bigger nerf to the trouble units than the increased CV. You probably wouldn't need as big of a point change if you did that either. It feels like this increased CV idea has become the default position without enough input from the UD community and that is frustrating. The whole point of special rules is to do somethi…

  • Quote from wombat: “Quote from umbranar: “Cosmology and evocation might become or go-to Magic paths if we want the healing. ” Not so sure on this. As stated earlier, I have done a LOT of play testing last 3..4 days Even with 2 Masters Cosmo, Evocation you have a problem with your Opponent using a binding scroll on your Cosmo Master. This means you only have Spectral, Ancestral and Danse Macabre. with ranges 18.... 12 or 18 if Boosted.....12 or 9 Aura if boosted. Just not good enough if using tra…

  • You are right, only the large size models are the troublemakers here. How about non-standard r&f models then? That rules out the above, does not hit our characters (which are limited in their healing anyway) and targets the troublemakers like shabti archers, shabti's (sort of troublemakers), chariots and cataphracts.

  • Quote from panterq: “What did I say? Points will not fix the internal balance. When did I say that? Few pages ago. ” About everyone says this. As UD ACS I already claimed many times that Shabti Archers will never be fixed by points (but of course can become way to expensive and therefore not picked). I have seen EoS stating the same about the Stank and now here about mounts.

  • Quote from Drakkanor: “Unfortunately the main problem is that UD have been in top tier since the game started and people is really pissed off about that. ” Maybe since 2.0 but there was a time we were the pinnacle of balance (externally, internally skeletons, skeleton cavalry, swarms and vultures have struggled a lot.)

  • Cosmology and evocation might become or go-to Magic paths if we want the healing. Divination will probably just function as a magic missile path with some buffs, but healing with it might be a step too far. A cosmology master joined be a arcane book divination adept might be a thing for future magic setups. The best that I have seen was earlier in this thread. Standard Models no increase in repair level Large Models plus 1 Gigantic and Towering plus 2 This could be the best solution so far. I am…