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  • Official SA update thread

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from fjugin: “According to out data In tournament lists it sees roughly average use, but is actually more used than other items. EE rates it average (3.4 on grade 1-6), community as 3.6. This data doesn't really give us the indication that it deserves a price cut. They all point towards raptor spirit being a balanced item. ” Latest from RT on Raptor spirit.

  • Official SA update thread

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    We did ask for reasons on the nerfs. The response was that data showed the alpha plus starfall shard was too common in armies. Hence the 15pt rise. As for the price on the palaquin according to RT every source of data ranked the palaquin as above average, so data, EE and community survey. Raptor spirit was not dropped in price due to being seen a medium number of times in the data. These decisions weren't random, as for those proposing rules changes please remember the only rules changes allowed…

  • Official SA update thread

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    The scar vet got cheap enough you can get a useful one for 300(raptor, shield and lance) but I think it's actually going to be pushed out by the thyroscutus ( who ever thought that would be said?). Delighted by the drops to shooting, make JG great again!

  • Official SA update thread

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    So the update is out. What do people think? Is there any typos?(tag me or @marcema) What are you most excited about? Any new combos? Will have a separate thread for complaining so please keep this positive

  • SA balance ideas

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from raven: “and actually, monster vs monster, the carno eat almost every monster i think (F7 d3 dmg agi 3, born predator is good for a monster). The problem is the "gus" on the top of the dragon which one-shot the carnosaur without thinking. Play against a WotDG which kill my warlord on AC before i hit even if i charge... well... what can i say ? He was faster with fly, better agi, better hitting and he cost less than me. a no go zone for the carno, but carno don't fly and he has 2xdogs a…

  • SA balance ideas

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from sonny1086: “Quote from Eymuster: “Is the optimal price point for these choices= the maximum point where people will stop taking them? I needed to ask because I feel current method of "x is used a lot, therefore must be too cheap. Must be increased in price. Y is not used at all, so let's try a little discount" is leading us there. ” This is a very important point. I also understood (i may be wrong here) the balancing patch 2.1 mainly to achieve good internal balance. The problem is th…

  • SA balance ideas

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    In order, yes, maybe and yes. I'm not saying they are broken but they probably wouldn't be hurt by a small price rise( is 5-15pts going to change much? Doubtful). Either way, the update is coming soon so you'll get to see what RT think(hint, fair number of price drops, obvious price hikes are obvious(but small)). I'm super excited for it.

  • SA balance ideas

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Just_Flo: “Quote from Zamo: “Main difference in current playstyle and meta... Dragon CANNOT BE CHAFF... Thats huge ” Please, try to sell the WdG board, how great and underpriced their dragon is, also mention please that it is better or comparable to an Alpha Carnosaurus. Don't forget to tag me there. I will enjoy really big what the WdG Board than will do to you. ” I'm with Zamo here, wdg dragon is indeed underpriced for what it is.

  • Quote from marcema: “Skinks are small and could possibly use poisoned javelins as spears. Give them the rule that they can either use them shoot one round with them and they are gone or you keep them as spears and get poisoned attacks in combat with FiER. In addition, they don't count as JG anymore. ” Pilum style? Interesting. I'd be worried about the price but if it's close to forest goblins we should be ok.

  • SA balance ideas

    Ipower - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from raven: “Even with this difference, a saurian warlord with alpha carno is at the apex of the food chain. ” It's really not. The Koe Duke was the top of the food chain and nothing was close. Now that build is nerfed I'm not sure what takes its place but doubt it's the alpha. Ws4 and low agi means models like the omen, some elf, koe, vampire and chaos lord builds just butcher it before it gets to swing.

  • Quote from Cuendae: “Well, splitting skins and counting it as 2 is same as splitting saurus by totems and calling it 5 ” Not really skinks with caiman are not the same as pure skink units. I think there is a good argument to split the scamain into a separate unit.

  • Quote from Giladis: “Mid cav with Raptors (same as Saurus ones) as the combat element and Skinks as the ranged element. Sort of in the range of Barbarian Horsemen seems like a good spot. ” But not fast cav or light troops of course . God forbid those avoidance players get to do their thing.

  • Quote from Giladis: “Skinks on Raptors into Core and SA would have a well rounded category. ” what role do you see them playing? Are they just chaff/fast cav? Medium cav like silver helms/empire knights? Fast scoring that can't fight? Shooting cav? Skinks with blowpipes on light raptors(m8 1 s4) would be awesome with March and shoot(not full light troops)

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Why not just add a core cavalry unit, a core monster and a core skink variant? ” Burn the heretic! Away with you and your common sense foul fiend! Don't you know these forums for constant moaning and complaining? Innocent players might see these good ideas and be corrupted.

  • Quote from dan: “Well the “cheap cop out” is reflective of something being of varying value depending on whether or not it contributes to core, and more importantly whether certain unit minimums want to be allowed in core. I actually think it’s an elegant solution to avoid multiple entries for the same unit. ” It's more those units almost always don't fit with the army, it's meant to be Warriors of the dark gods not pets of the dark gods. Similar for just about every other unit that shifts to co…

  • Quote from dan: “I wonder if a unit of non-skirmishing Chameleons in core with Hard Target (1) and Vanguard would be of use? Otherwise (or additionally) that aforementioned Warhound-osaur unit of M8 chaff cavalry (with or without riders) that is a special choice becoming core in units of 8+ would help diversify things a bit. ” Dislike the 8+ models being core mechanic. Feels like a cheap cop out to actually pricing the extra models correctly. @DanT HBE are interesting, I can see the point but th…

  • Out of curiosity, which armies should have chaff/light troops in core and which should not? Bearing in mind they aren't quite the same thing. If core should represent the army identity then I would expect the elves and SA(maybe BH) to have light troops in core as they are all lateral movement focused armies. Core chaff wise I can see arguments for VS slaves, BH dogs, VC zombies, goblins, ID hobgoblins/slaves, eos militia, koe peasants, OK gnoblars as cheap, scoring optional, throw away units tha…

  • Quote from Cuendae: “@Ipower seriously, if you were on LAB team, SA would gain alot nice stuff and flexibility ” Thanks. When the time comes I definitely plan on applying for the SA LAB.

  • If we are taking inspiration from Jurassic Park then I want velociraptors hunting packs, 5+ armour, m8 beasts, cold one stats. Some form of hunting link where units of 8+ can use the los of other hunting packs of 8+ within 12" would be really cool. Could also be reroll failed charges if charging the same unit as another hunting pack.

  • Eh, easy. Red-Crested skinks, agi 5 paired, poison unit size 10+ not scoring or light troops. Allow Tree-frog/something else to make 5+. Unridden Carnosaurs(both versions), low LD(5-6) but something like blood rage giving them battle focus and Fearless for the game after they do an unsaved wound. Feral Saurus/Kroxigor no equipment, cheaper, not scoring, lower ld and either extra attack or frenzy and battlefocus. Hell a saurus unit in special with GW would be awesome and something the community h…