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  • Quote from Jomppexx: “I'd rather have rerolls to panic and break tests rather than D3 S5 AP2 impacts as Ogres. But that's picking cherries out of the cake and dreaming of building the perfect army. ” It is not picking cherries as much as not understanding that each army has its flavor for a game design reason, be it background based or legacy. WDG are an army of selfish individuals that do not want to bunch up under a flag. Rules are made to enable that wide army play. If you do not like that st…

  • Stating that fire can be put down with water is kinda being mr. Obvious right? Every unit has a counter and every cowboy (much more the ones below 400 pts) can be killed by one or two spells by more than half the paths. If you can't stomach that reality, which is a feature and not a bug of T9A, then do not play cowboys.

  • I see boots attractive for Sorc using Fallen as a very mobile bunker. Chief, Chimera, Paired Weapons, Shield Breaker, Thrice Forged; 370 pts So 8/20 Move with R5 2+AS. 9 S5 attacks, 4 of them AP10. I wonder when is this guy getting played as he is now dirt cheap compared to cowboys of other armies (and to Lord on Karkadan). And for extra 40 pts he gets to Fly.

  • Makhar Discussion

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    Quote from Tyranno: “I'm kinda pissed off, as I really needed the potion of swiftness to stop elves from 1-shotting him. Now I have nothing to counter giga-elf lords. ” I believe that is not a Makhar problem alone now

  • Makes the Path overall worse against other paths. Meaning players will more likely take other paths and your EH will not face Divination in every second tournament match up.

  • See Change log on Casting values.

  • Quote from umbranar: “Quote from Exalted Champion: “Not really sure what 4 single karkalords can do? Deliver 5A S7 each at charge? And what else? Cant kill most characters, cant take return damage with AP3 or more or lethal strike or alchemy, cant brake steadfest and dont deliver any synergy to the rest of troops. I can see that they can charge chaff or some medium threats. But thats it. ” As I look at it now and thinking of games I played, multicharge, chaff (lust yay), put pressure on the back…

  • OK Hunter is a very similar model as Chosen Lord on Karkadan. Sure one HP less, but very easy access to 1+ armor on the Lord to compensate that. I am sure spammed Lords on Karkadan, when cheap enough, can be a nightmare to face. But someone needs to do it, break the meta and not be in echo chamber. @DanT ?

  • Quote from Dant: “@Krokz can you pass this on internally please? I.e. a request/comment that zero updates is better than being tied to the parent book once the parent is gold. ” Maybe on the long run this has merit. Currently we are still able to control this issues, for example when we lowered Horseman Great Weapon choice to zero points RT members explicitly stated that Makhar should be looked at and in consequence price was increase on an item giving Lightning Reflexes. Same thought process wa…

  • Quote from DeBelial: “Only mounts that have a reasonable hiding spot are worth it ” Could say that this is due to meta as cowboys are currently not very popular, it is not a WDG problem alone. But then there is OK Hunter spam

  • BTW. HellMaw is very close to broken by several opinions. Broken as in it cannot be fixed by price alone and the most talked about solution was to lower radius where you can place your unit after teleport from 3" to 1". But we still decided it is too soon and not broken enough to warrant so drastic measures as a design change. I am mentioning this because I do understand the "lets put Chosen Lord on a mount, then I do not need HellMaw" thinking. If HellMaw proves to be the clutch for the army an…

  • Quote from Cortrillion: “Hi @DanT thanks for joining. I disagree with what your saying. But my time is short now. I will be back! ” You can disagree, but that doesn't mean he is not right. Several of us know how much resources this can take and and yet you keep ignoring us and telling us we are wrong and you know better? Please re-read everyrhing we have written.

  • Quote from matrim: “@Krokz What about uber under used/under powered options? Are they doomed till v3.0 ” Don't think so. We saw double Chimera meta in the past, we saw Karkadans popular too and so on. There are 7 or so WDG mounts and there are armies with a lot fewer that can't get every one to work. Especially when picks are so dependant on current meta.

  • Karkadan mount (or any mount/unit) heaving 3 HPs or 4 HPs does not matter since in the end it is going to get fairly priced. As in until it is used in tournament data aiming at perfect distribution. So yeah, 4HP is reserved for Chimera mount. and the book ain't changing because it is gold. Gold books only change when something that is broken on an overpowered side cannot be fixed by point costs alone.

  • Quote from Cortrillion: “I don’t think I understand why that would change if the prices are unlinked? ” That person may not be there forever, we could go community driven changes too if you ask me. But down the line everything must be approved by Rules Team. Which can be pretty frustrating when doing 30+ books, right? Like I said, these books not being perfect tournament balanced is a feature, not a bug, and you can only change that with change of project policy. They are designed to give additi…

  • Quote from Cortrillion: “Then why would they need an update every time a parent book gets one? ” We have two options that require no resources on the long run: - never change a gold aux book after it comes out - change it once a year with all Core books You say we should opt for the first one? Last weeks Asklanders changes were purely because someone from staff volunteered its free time to it. This Asklanders internal price changes that have happened was more an positive exception then a rule on…

  • True that @Just_Flo I believe a common player doesn't understand what goes into a core book balance procedure: - analysis of 100+ tournaments for external balance and each list analysis of what units were taken, this is massive tedious work that is done by volunteers - making a questionnaire of every price entry and send it to External Experts and community surveys to weight in internal balance and analyze them separately too This is a minimum of data points go into normal army book balancing pr…

  • Quote from Cortrillion: “I hope this example illustrates my point. ” You do, but I fear you don't know that we use LaTeX. So army books are coded in this text/programmable language. When O&G unit changes, we just press a button and get a new Asklander book with updated O&G Troll entry, no human resources needed (apart from pressing the button ). This way we can update all the XY aux books when 16 main books get an update. Quote from Cortrillion: “Same unit - different function. This one …

  • It was mostly internal balance, similar to Great Weapons un Huscarls. Quote from Herminard: “Now refute my other point on core Barbarians plz ” I believe I cannot as much as I cannot refute your point of why not placing Jotunn in Core. There is just a disagreement in game design and no one is 'right'. I can agree to disagree

  • If you take 100 Asklanders with Great Weapon (be it 2x50 or 3x33) this is a 100 point reduction, which is a little over 2 percent of whole army list. I just want to point out on what scale of balance we are talking about