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  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    As I said earlier: from an internal balance POV these price hikes do make sense. From an external POV I’m not convinced. Etc lists raising in average over vcs average is a bad sign I think. Now I personally couldn’t care less as I mostly don’t play power lists and avoid the altar and chariots for some time now, but still, overall for the balance of the game I’m not sure it is a good update for us. But I personally played RA, blades, DK and captains before and surely will not stop now. In the oth…

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Nemeroth: “Quote from VampsinMD: “unfortunate the captain bsb on foot with moraecs reaping and seal of the republic is no longer possible ” Of course it isn’t! It’s too gamebreaking. ” Yo chill nemeroth always keep in mind that there are a lot of buffs too and 10 points on moraec are really not much. This is 5 old points. Calm down.

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from DarkSky: “I am surprised by all the negativity honestly. EVERY subforum complains, that "their" strongest entries get nerfed. Well duh, that's the point of making the books better balanced internally. Just head over to any other subforum and everybody will pick the nerfs to the best five entries and claim they overshadow all the buffs. Our book had 43 point buffs and only 15 point nerfs and reading this thread you get the feeling DE got axed hard, because initial 15 Legionnaires got 5…

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    @DanT So, to be clear, your argument is this: "I (noir) in my infinite wisdom think this is wrong". "The problem with data is that it is just data". your argument is that you would not take them would. How can this be a fact? And how does it speak for all DE players? It may be possible that this is too much but how can you know already now, 1 day after the update? I await your concrete proposal to the RTdetailing an alternative method of points updates smile.png something like this?

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    This is not a tone i care to discuss in dan. This is spiteful. i don’t see where this is necessary having various good chats with you in mind.

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from DanT: “Quote from noir: “@DanT I think what crafty means is that some entries get taken often even though they are not the most competitive. This is the Problem with data, they can not take that into account. Thus definitely could be the case with DR with xbows. As long as they’re not ridiculously overpriced. I mean most of us know it’d be sensible to take them without xbows pre 2.1. still the data Must have shown the xbows are taken extremely often. But the wide community is not a to…

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    @DanT I think what crafty means is that some entries get taken often even though they are not the most competitive. This is the Problem with data, they can not take that into account. Thus definitely could be the case with DR with xbows. As long as they’re not ridiculously overpriced. I mean most of us know it’d be sensible to take them without xbows pre 2.1. still the data Must have shown the xbows are taken extremely often. But the wide community is not a top player. I don’t think he means tha…

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from SmithF: “Guys, take a deep breath ... it’s really going to be alright. The amount of options available is huge and even a 90 or 100 point increase to a list is actually a 2% change —> largely irrelevant. What’s more the change to divination helps the monsters immensely, as do the nerfs to the VS netlist. I believe all of the changes were warranted, I was starting to believe that the oracles all come with a dragon and the familiar as base equipment. A bit more variety is a good thing, …

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from duxbuse: “Quote from Lord Drakon: “Hello guys, not sure if you also found this increcible point discount on units of 10 Dark Raiders. While small RXB units have increased with 15 points, you can now actually bring 30 Dark Raiders in your core and still have 30 points spare 6 x 5 Dark Raiders with RXB = 1290 3 x 10 Dark Raiders with RXB = 1095 That's a 195p discount! Woah. ” now if only characters could join that unit ” they can, with cadaron and light troop update.

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Knight: “I haven't been following ETC much. Did Delfs just slay? Like, were we the best army at ETC? Because these points increases are atrocious. My list went up 61 points total (went up 100 points for nerfs and down 39 points for buffs). I struggle like crazy to win games with this mid-tier (at best) army. Delfs are now SOLIDLY in the bottom-tier. Imma go play woodies. They got a good buff. ” I don’t think this is necessarily true. The problem is the internal balance as certain unit…

  • DE 2.1 Balance Patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    so okay i did the ETC lists. Juan José “Alex Hungar” Guerriri, Dread Elves 505 – Oracle, General, Master, Essence of Free MInd (Divination/Alchemy), Binding Scroll 745 – Cult Priest on Divine Altar, Paired Weapons Crew, BSB, Cult of Yema, Hand Weapon (Moraec's Reaping), Light Armour (Basalt Infusion), Shield, Lucky Charm 245 – Oracle, Adept, Cosmology 160 – 2x5 Dark Raiders 205 – 15x Dread Legionnaires, M, C 325 – 12x Blades of Nabh, C, S, Rending Banner 305 – 12x Blades of Nabh, S, Rending Bann…

  • Balance patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from DarkSky: “Why the etc lists? I thought balancing is done for singles tournaments!? Wouldn't it makes more sense to calculate for lists from singles? I also noticed the multiple discounts on all stuff mounted, but I will most likely try a list with many many Blades of Nabh first ” Because these are top lists and show how good lists are punished trying to help buddy, not to discuss.

  • Balance patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    What the community could do as feedback for the update would be a calculation of the points increase of the etc lists from this year. I can imagine this would help tremendously.

  • Quote from KiRaHyuU: “Quote from noir: “Quote from Klaudel: “the cult system should be reworked from scratch ” Yes. This is what we do. So don’t think of the old cult rules when talking about cults guys. Also reread the cult section of the guidelines. You can see a lot of stuff already there :Dc ” Can you maybe share how many “character options” we’re gonna have ” Don’t think so because this is not certain yet. Once we are through all characters I’ll speak up for it though.

  • Balance patch

    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    I think the price for DR with xbows is grotesque. I understand the familiar and all (allthough I think that a different strategy regarding chariots should have been taken -> upping the altar by more). But dark raiders at 215 now is just too much. I can’t imagine to still play them with a crossbow. The reason for many dark raiders taken is that they’re chaff from core which is unbeatable. They only have 10 shots though so the one or 2 wounds they do before dying is not worth 50 points.

  • Quote from Klaudel: “the cult system should be reworked from scratch ” Yes. This is what we do. So don’t think of the old cult rules when talking about cults guys. Also reread the cult section of the guidelines. You can see a lot of stuff already there :Dc

  • Quote from Nemeroth: “Quote from Babnik Kalenina: “We wouldn't have this long discussion on our crossbowmen if we could have the option of old militians (I know I'm old and I repeat myself) Years back, I propose to make these legionnaires as versatile in roles as ancient roman or modern french legionnaires. Means being able to handle any situation. Give to the crossbowmen the option to wield a spear (like the seaguards) and to choose to combat with swords if needed (means weapon masters sword/sp…

  • VS Brainstorming for LAB

    noir - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from The Unmarked: “Did you guys see the patch updates for UD and WDG? UD got hit pretty hard but I think they were tier 1+ while we were only tier 1. Fingers crossed that our cannon comes down a bunch of points otherwise it STILL won't compete with Dreadmills even after the price increase they'll get. ” No we both were in the same tier.its gonna be rough for VS! I expect dreadmills to be 0-1. also presumably huge hikes for the pendulum and the daemon. This is only my guess though. I don’t…

  • Quote from Nemeroth: “Quote from noir: “Quote from Peacemaker: “well the guidelines say they can't be "true chaff" so they are planning to up their combat potential and probably up the points because there seems to be a push to eliminate low costing chaff? Except for armies with high movement hounds that don't fly. Plus a special rule ...those can be 90pts. ” well it is what it is. But we still can make a kick a** book out of it. Also what I like is that these spoilers give you guys the possibil…

  • Oh and @toots i didn’t forget about our agenda! Will push hard :p