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  • The important point is, to have a set of stats and rules that causes all of the following: a) Goblins don't get a higher DIS bonus from Orc characters than from Goblin characters (of comparable character level). b) Basic Orcs and Goblins suffer from the same level of unruly behaviour, they roll all non-panic and non-break tests on less than 7 dis (or some kind of maximized that equals dis less than 7). c) Basic Orcs roll their panic and break tests on more than 7 dis (or some kind of minimized t…

  • Well, the suggestion is not a simple -1Dis for Orcs. The suggestion is -1dis for Orcs, but give them a +2 bonus for panic and break tests as compensation. (Or alternatively minimized roll for panic and break, which is worth about +1.5dis) But because there is still so much important background missing for Orcs, which will certainly affect the rules, it is not too helpful to discuss it here and now. The intention of this rule is simply to make Goblin King as good for Goblin morale as Orc Warlord.

  • VS Brainstorming for LAB

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    not generate the ingame. Buy them as part of your character's magic equipment pool. Have many of them -> small other equipment for your characters. More characters allow for more +1 shards. And with more characters you could also have the effect better distributed around the battle field (maybe range of effect only 3"?)

  • What about the Lion Fur? Give that rule of +1 armor vs ranged attacks to all HEs. The Lion Fur itself could then lose the rule and provide the bodyguard and/or monster hunter rule to Lion Guard. I always wondered how fur could provide such protection +1 armor vs ranged is not a complete +1 armor so acceptance is easier. The effect already exists so it is not a new rule and easy to remember. It solves 70% of the issues HE have with their currently low armor. It would help HE survive better in Mex…

  • VS Brainstorming for LAB

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    or you can pay dark shards to get a one time +1 to Dis.

  • Well, tbh Orcs are not topic here

  • pfffff, as if Eldar had cool fluff yawn

  • Just for clarification: Personally I am pro more armor for HE, but I'm no designer. What I want to say is, be prepared for shitstroms from other communities. We've seen such in the past (rhyma banner for example).

  • HE have already the best armor in average of all three elven faction. The question is whether this advantage should be made larger, with the risk of annoying other factions which currently even higher armor than HE. What if DH want higher AGI, EoS higher weapon skill,... wouldn't that be something the elven players dislike?

  • Well, that was not the topic if I remember correctly. Maybe we should not drift too far with discussions. I think having 10 weapon teams is better than having one Demon. You seem to disagree. Edit: ok, maybe quit this nonsense discussion. I think the new prices are better for the Demon, and this will already make less people play with one. If the price is already high enough to get the numbers low enough only time will tell. There are certainly some lovers that play the Demon at even higher pric…

  • I just fear that EoS, DH and ID communities would feel stepped on their toes when HE get plate.

  • So for you the Demon is worth 10+ Weapon Teams? Okay, it is obvious that everybody has a different view in efficiency of specific elements, but this feels just not right to me. I am convinced that with points changes a good internal and external balance can be reached. I agree that the latest update is not perfect, but it is at least heading in the right direction. And I am convinced that we don't have to go as far as you suggest. I think the Demon will become unattractive before that factor 10 …

  • Hm, but there were also armies using units that were considered as bad. Those armies might also have had a significant influence on the result of being low tier. I have the impression that people think only the maximized armies played by the absolute pro gamers contribute, but this might be slightly misleading. The external balance would even improve when only buffing Frost Phoenix and Grey Watchers.

  • 2.1 OnG Chat

    arwaker - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    I think it is not helping to compare the Gargantula with a Rock Auroch from another army, because they both operate in a very different environment. The question of competitiveness should be asked mostly between Giants, Gargantula and GGI. If I had to guess, reason is that the Gargantula was picked more often than Giant and GGI, therefore the price shift between those.

  • Quote from Skarab86: “Quote from arwaker: “Quote from Bogi: “Quote from Warpfodder: “Quote from Skarab86: “So we will continue playing the f***** Demon, pendulum and mills. Where are the changes? ” The change is you've less points for the rest of the list now ” What he means is that the units that were useless have not become useful at all and the units that are played will still be played. Point cost is very rarely relative. There simply will be a few less things in the list, maybe less discipl…

  • Quote from Bogi: “Quote from Warpfodder: “Quote from Skarab86: “So we will continue playing the f***** Demon, pendulum and mills. Where are the changes? ” The change is you've less points for the rest of the list now ” What he means is that the units that were useless have not become useful at all and the units that are played will still be played. Point cost is very rarely relative. There simply will be a few less things in the list, maybe less disciples or some chaff taken out or something. It…

  • Well for my defense: the concept is mine, the details and the price not. However, I will love it no matter how bad it is. It is my.. ...precious. You shalt not have it nasty epoepo.

  • 2.1 OnG Chat

    arwaker - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    And the smaller the number of characters you play the more you save. It slightly better (or at least enxoiraged by this change) to play only few (stronger) characters than many (weaker). => Cowboy tax

  • How dare you forget my most beloved gimmick?

  • 2.1 OnG Chat

    arwaker - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    Quote from The Matt: “All the characters went up 5-10 points. So while it looks like Warcry got free, the points were stealthed back into the characters (even at basic, general, bsb, and wizard it's a 30 point increase, good forbid you took lots of little characters on gnashers and Chariots and such, guess it was overpowered) Gnasher herds were increased again after a decrease, no big surprise. ” Yeah, that's also how I interpret the change. They make Warcry free and distribute the cost evenly a…