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  • Quote from Krokz: “You don't see Giant with Bow or Karkadan Herd useful or it is not your play style? ” I don't like "big monster with shooting weapon attached". Especially if that monster is more geared for combat. So I am ok with a Cyclops, but not a Giant with a bow. Most of the time, the big lunk is going to miss anyway. And I am not keen on the Karkadons due to their low defenses. They feel like target practice for weak shooting/magic which otherwise finds few targets in my list.

  • Haha! If only. And no it's really not. Most of the "complex" parts are on my end, like Lamellar Barding and Makhar Lances' restrictions.

  • Quote from DanT: “Interesting, great feedback, thanks :-)Shame about no best in race, that seems a bit sad panda for a big event. Hopefully I'll see them in action at element sometime. ” Yeah, but they prepared trophies per race, and it was a late edition to decide to allow Makhar. So they probably didn't have time to make another one. No harm done... the rare models I picked up at the shop it was held in were more than a worthy prize. Fingers crossed. Hopefully by then people will be used to th…

  • Quote from DanT: “I saw your list in the Cardiff list pack, was great to see Makhar make a showing there, kudos Thanks! Out of interest, what were your opponent's reactions to the army? Did they like it? A lot didn't like the concept, but found it not as annoying as they had envisioned. Even if I spammed Horse Archers, their frailty would have probably had the same overall effect. Were any of them not aware it was a thing? I think the podcast made people aware of it. But the London event had peo…

  • Ok, it's posting time. This is going to be a more wordy post, as I am rather ill and don't feel like taking pictures (plus some models are close to being complete, might as well wait until then). I just finished two two-day tournaments with Makhar. Unfortunately neither went very well, mostly due to dice rolls that were absolutely appalling. Firstly though, here is my list for both events: Makhar Gyula, General, Makhar Lance, Shield, GreatElk, Stallion’s Tempest, Mammoth Hide Cloak, Spirit ofthe…

  • Quote from sam585: “From your dismissive opening I'm sure you are an expert, so could you please elaborate your point with something more useful then "well it's expensive and movement is kinda bad" that is not helpful, and just throwing out the fact that you think alot of units can compare to the fighting ability and toughness of buffed up immortals I find pretty amusing and would love to hear what you could come up with seeing how they are the only infantry unit in the game that halves the stre…

  • The 9th AGE - Meme Thread

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    Quote from BondageGoatZombie: “I don't get the keto jokes. Is this an American thing? ” youtu.be/04DcbaCP7iU

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    Quote from Ira: “In the end we all know the truth ...(Hidden Content) ” Oh I know what that means :3.

  • Quote from Kathal: “25 Immortals with Infernal Weapons + Shield, FCG = 760pts 25 WDG Warriors, Shield, FCG, Gluttony = 710pts That is the closest comparison I could find, but the Immortals are way stronger than the Warriors (permanent S5 and AP2, better special rules (Bodyguard + anti special attacks vs re-roll break tests and ITP), smaller footprint, slightly faster), but Warriors are core, so meh. Edit says: I just realised, that you can only field 20 Warriors with Marks, which tips the differ…

  • Quote from DanT: “Hahaha, I love some of these comments. Some of my opponents hate playing against my immortals and think they are broken. ” What specific aspect of them do they complain about?

  • Quote from DanT: “Yarp. Or maybe a whole bunch of ID players put them as internally good in the surveys that we filled in.Defo one to ask about if it isn't clear from the usage data. ” That is an interesting point. I have not seen the answers to those surveys, nor do I know of anyone that did. I am quite keen on seeing them now...

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “I conclude that no, this was not data driven, at least not based on what's being fielded. If it was, Lugars would have received a larger cut to base unit size (as small units saw zero play) and Immortals would have either been cut, hiked, or left alone equally for all sizes. Instead, Immortals received the larger cut to small units. ” Not to mention the bizarre action of Taurukh and Disciple Great Weapons going up in price. Despite neither of them being the most-used we…

  • Quote from DanT: “Maybe ACSes can even find out the differences between different sources for immortals. ” What do you mean by "different sources"?

  • Quote from DanT: “I guess it would be interesting to see the same number for the other special choices in ID, but I'm don't have time to dig them all out. If most(all?) of them are lower than 26% then I think the small points increase is pretty self explanatory. ” Only the Anointed were used less than Immortals, at 39 lists using the big bulls. Taurukhs and Wolf Riders were used more. (Taurukhs seemingly popped up in 95 lists, to the Immortals 42).

  • Quote from DanT: “I cannot answer your question without writing a large essay, because our views of the game, how it functions, what balance means etc are too far apart.Next time you are at an element games event, hopefully I will be there and we discuss it in proper fashion: face to face with alcohol Anyone else have the data? ” Sure. Props for giving me the closest thing to a straight answer to this. Someone should. I can try to find out who.

  • Quote from DanT: “Hmmm... I basically disagree with all of this. Regardless, can you present the data anyway please? ” Ok, then can you elaborate on why other very similar units in other armies (3+ armour, R4, S5, Bodyguard) are priced far lower than Immortals? (I know, don't compare units across armies etc etc, but units with similar stat-lines should be roughly near each other. But the only Infantry unit close to Immortal's price is S6 with 2 Attacks) Because clearly, a unit with the kind of s…

  • Quote from DanT: “Has anyone got the usage data for immortals? Maybe it is worth looking at. I struggle to understand a lot of the claims about how bad they are, but it might be more useful for us all to look at the data given that presumably the usage data/internal balance surveys etc were the reason for the price increase. ” Data won't answer that. Because Immortals are the only unit in the book that do a specific set of things; Bodyguard & hold the Icon Of the Inferno near a Prophet at all ti…

  • Makhar Discussion

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    Quote from Krokz: “I believe that is not a Makhar problem alone now ” Well if the Spirit of the Herd didn't go up, it wouldn't be a problem. Overall my list has stayed about the same, or got marginally worse. I had to drop a bunch of upgrades on things, to avoid some of my chaffier units costing too much. Most problematic though was that my general is now the same cost, but worse. Since I need him alive to keep my Makhar Lancer unit functioning at full steam, this really stinks and makes me want…

  • Makhar Discussion

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    Ok ok... I just tried to rebuild my Makhar list with the new points. Was it really deemed necessary that my Gyula build be banned? Seriously, was it that bad? I'm kinda pissed off, as I really needed the potion of swiftness to stop elves from 1-shotting him. Now I have nothing to counter giga-elf lords. I am not even sure why the Spirit of the Herd needed nerfing due to the Great Weapons on Makhar Lances becoming free. It may be cheaper than using Lances, but it's objectively worse due to the lo…

  • 2.0 BH Beta Discussion Thread

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    Quote from teclis2000: “Uff, my current BH list got hit by a 150pts cost increase. @Kolata @Tyranno Will there be a new thread to comment the changes in detail? ” Why me? I'm not your ACS xD