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  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Well, maybe I was too drunk when I posted it

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    thb . I really love how Thaumathurgy fluff talk about Empire of Sonnenstahl, even though they don't have access to the path anymore. (Because nobody used it, so they changed it) In the same way, the cosmology fluff talks exclusively about the quatl, even though it can't use the path because of "fluff" and the Quatl is spelled wrong - Qoatl.... nevermind that. tbh. it makes NO SENSE... the-ninth-age.com/filebase/index.php?download/1068/ So using fluff as a reason for why some armies can use diffe…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Ipower: “Might be a little strong Vs warmachines. As 2-3 stacks has a good chance of nuking any wm that hits the unit. Kinda hilarious and I love it but can see the fun police/RT shutting it down. ” Killing a warmachine would need at least 3 counters and some luck Or more than one turn. But sure, RT will shut it down and make some overpriced Soul Fire Vol. 2, which wont see play, mainly due to pricing

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Red88: “thats interesting ! but i would ad "for each Marker on that unit d3 S4 Hits (and i would make them at least ap1) ” Well yeah also a good point. However, that will increase pricing, but since it's easy for the opponent to play around, it shouldn't be to expensive. I think it could be a mechanism worth testing more, as it would be able to "protect" a little against ranged attacks if it deters the opponent from shooting at various units. Also it will give some grindingbuff in CC.…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from marcema: “Quote from Red88: “Everytime you do a wound with Evocation you get a Shield Marker on the Cuatl or his Unit ? (65P) The Marker Saves 1 Life ? ” Nice thought, but i guess we should try to get a unique addition to the cuatl, this is just a try to get the same ability as the high elves have. ” What about a shield that strikes back? Place a marker on a unit. If the unit suffers one or more hits in a subsequent phase, untill the next friendly magic phase, each source that deals o…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Red88: “What do you guys think of giving magical resistance to units while using Evocation MR1 for each succesful spell of Evocation / to a Unit in 24" / up to MR3 (65P) something like SpiritShield ” Since MR is mostly negligent in the current rules, I wouldn't really care. Maybe for like 10pts or something? Its mostly a gimick. If it was Aegis save (or +1 special save?), then it would be worth something. However that would be massively good with Druidism, and super-not-good with any …

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Ipower: “What would people feel about swapping druidism and evocation? I can see a strong arguement that the "priest" has more to do with soul manipulation than the cuatl lord. ” Has been asked many times, and would be a brilliant solution. Disciplin for Quatl could easily be "Know all the Druidism spells" and be easily done.

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    The point is, that the fluff is what you make it. Just like in D&D. If changing the fluff makes for a better game, there is no point in no changing the fluff. The problem is, that its very subjective and there is no objective truth - only unused paths

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Laroop: “The following is usually not my style but let me be "zamo honest" for once: I think the whole fluff vs Evocation thing is dumb. Really dumb. Outright ridiculous so to say. This game is not about fluff. It's not the fluff that is being updated from patch to patch and it's not the fluff that is being discussed on these forum. There is no fluff in the slim army books we all use and we do not talk about fluff when we meet other players. This game is about balancing and tournament…

  • [TOURNAMENT LISTS]

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from marcema: “If a skink priest is upgraded to a wizard master, its 340p, you pay then 130p for +3LD, 4++, +1w access to 4 paths instead of 2 and stand behind. I don't think this fella is overpriced in any way. Remember that the 4++ used to be 100p on its own. If it would be 520p in total, i would still take him. Also if you consider that you can add 200p of disciplines on top of that. ” Remeber that the only reason Skinks cannot be Wizard Masters, is because NO-ONE took the Quatl if they…

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    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from marcema: “I think if the pricing is accordingly, it should be the current grasp - costs of a channel talisman. Meaning it would be around 520-540p for a cuatl, which is incl. +2 to cast ” Yeah that would be missing the point about the Quatl beeing too expensive as a baseline. Thats just simply splitting up the Grasps

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    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Red88: “make him 500P with inbuild +1 to cast ” I think you have mentioned it before? The idea is neat

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    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Zamo: “Quote from Palinux: “However, the ability to stand behind, be BSB (for double the cost) and telephatic link actually is something you have to pay for. ” Very true. But with the Cuatl cost, I think is more than covered. We have to add also that the 50mm base is a great disadvantage with any lists without TG. He has low M too combined to a big base. Most armies have cheap and safe stay-back bunkers or core bunkers. We dont have any bunker for a cuatl in core section, both options…

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    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Zamo: “Quote from Dancaarkiiel: “Grasp should be baseline, just like in Weaver's case. ” Fully agree. If you actually think about it, for 470pts the Cuatl has nothing special... yes 4w 4++, completely irrelevant in most cases. He has no base advantages avobe other wizards. ” This is soo true. Actually it is behind other wizards which grants reduced casting/dispelling included in their price and for less. However, the ability to stand behind, be BSB (for double the cost) and telephatic…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Teowulff: “Quote from Palinux: “The discard 1 veil token and get X ability gets my vote! But sniping wounds is something that the path already does? Wouldn't it be too much? I think i like the +2 agi hard target distracting better "Quatls are able to pierce the veil and manifest great energy from the other side. The energi can be used to manipulate all mortal beeings on this side of the veil, creating fearsome warriors of great speed, blurring and distracting the unattentive eye or ev…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    The discard 1 veil token and get X ability gets my vote! But sniping wounds is something that the path already does? Wouldn't it be too much? I think i like the +2 agi hard target distracting better "Quatls are able to pierce the veil and manifest great energy from the other side. The energi can be used to manipulate all mortal beeings on this side of the veil, creating fearsome warriors of great speed, blurring and distracting the unattentive eye or even stopping the hearts of thier opponents"

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    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Scottish Knight: “Quote from Palinux: “So maybe Occultism? Thaumathurgy? Are they a better fit? ” Interestingly, both have elements of "borrowed powers", Thaumaturgy in terms of direct divine intervention, Occultism in terms of shared knowledge from across the Veil. You could argue that it's not as fitting to their search for self control and power. However, that's just a thought - they are certainly more fitting than Cosmology. ” Yeah seems also in line with the fluff. However, I don…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Scottish Knight: “ Quote from Palinux: “So it's not actually the fluff, it's actually a balancing issue? That's fair enough. ” It's a combination, no one faction should have all paths, but Cosmology was designed to be available for certain factions who don't tend towards polarised views of chaos or order. ” Yeah, actually no one is proposing having access to all paths, just changing one path which doesn't work with something else that might work - just like what was done with Empire a…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from marcema: “Quote from Palinux: “Quote from Scottish Knight: “Saurians are restricted in very few places when it comes to magic, so this is one of those few. Saurians have lots of toys, but they can't necessarily have every toy! ” So it's not actually the fluff, it's actually a balancing issue? That's fair enough.We still need to resolve how evocation will ever be usefull for the saurians though. ” I do indeed think as well that a cuatl with cosmology would become very powerful, especia…

  • Evocation brainstorm

    Palinux - - Saurian Ancients (SA)

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    Quote from Scottish Knight: “Saurians are restricted in very few places when it comes to magic, so this is one of those few. Saurians have lots of toys, but they can't necessarily have every toy! ” So it's not actually the fluff, it's actually a balancing issue? That's fair enough. We still need to resolve how evocation will ever be usefull for the saurians though.