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  • Quote from Kathal: “Only a specific subset of players (who mostly only play specific armies) want to have those Hero Hammer models. Some others want to play a more Skirmish style game (SE e.g.), some want a heavy RnF playstyle (EoS, OnG) and some want to play other aspects of this vast game. Hence, there will never be a clear goal for the game, since the respective "fun" aspects are vastly different across the armies and especially players. So it will "always" be unsatisfying for at least some a…

  • Yeah so its not just pricing that determines whether something is a buff or a nerf. Which is what you said? @Kathal I fully agree with all your points about the nerfing of hero hammer. It is very rare that a character is the same value as a unit of equal points (magic users not included in this). This is a real shame as I think one of the reasons most people play this game is to have impressive, powerful heroes who can take on units by themselves. This should not turn it to a purely rank and fil…

  • Quote from Krokz: “EH design was finished several weeks ago It was not nerfed nor boosted in external or internal balance point of view. Point costs do that. Just like keeping current .204 EH and letting RT put a 900+ price tag on it would be a nerf. ” LOL Sorry but this statement makes no sense! So only points changes constitute a nerf / buff. So EH stats all go to 1, but he drops 50 points and this is a buff?

  • But sounds like he is being nerfed so maybe we should all just get used to it. Seeing as community feedback seems to have little influence on the decisions that are made. Yay for community driven games!

  • @Kathal and @Krokz seem to be overestimating the EH. You guys are making him sound like the best model in the game! I played nearly the whole of last year with the EH and he dies plenty. Like has been said, binding scrolls neuter him. He is stubborn but ld 8 so one bad combat round and a not particularly high ld roll and he pops. Scarification is a great combat attribute, but I think we all realise that in a dice game a 1 in 3 chance can spike massively. The last game I played I charged him into…

  • Quote from Kathal: “Quote from WastelandWarrior: “Could just have made the other characters not crap. I can't imagine how bad he's going to be if he's worse than a chosen lord in combat and worse than a sorceror at magic. Really want to know what's happening with this, I almost don't even care what happens to the other entries as I'd written them off already months ago ” If the guy would have been in the same state, you could have been expecting a price tag of around 930ish points (Note: This is…

  • Quote from WastelandWarrior: “Quote from Warboss_R'ok: “Quote from WastelandWarrior: “nervousness about herald redesign intensifies! ” I'm glad the EH is being reworked.But what I really hope is that our sorcerers lose occultism or evocation and gain thaumaturgy, because then you can get Wrath of God without having to narrow your list into yet another EH list. ” I hate wrath of god, I dont want it in the game, let alone our book. I hope the herald rework is good and that it doesnt lose shamanism…

  • Quote from Herminard: “Quote from zulu: “Quote from Palmu: “I've got big doubts about SE ever NOT being a very harsh match-up for WDG, but at the very least we should have our answers to the things they bring out, and we do for the most part, but currently Pathfinders just have free reign because the army can't either afford the tools that have a chance against them, or those tools are too weak to begin with. But even with those tools available, it will still be a match where the damn elves have…

  • Quote from Palmu: “I've got big doubts about SE ever NOT being a very harsh match-up for WDG, but at the very least we should have our answers to the things they bring out, and we do for the most part, but currently Pathfinders just have free reign because the army can't either afford the tools that have a chance against them, or those tools are too weak to begin with. But even with those tools available, it will still be a match where the damn elves have an upper hand, unless we're dealt a very…

  • Quote from Happy Aspid: “When I play a non-tournament game I usually never share any data about our army-lists or even race they playing before we meet each other. So I usually prefer to be ready to anything. This is why army is called an army instead of spec forces. ” This is the same thing then. You bring an all-comers list. All units in the book can not be equally good in this kind of list.

  • @WastelandWarrior Yeah I do see that. What did you run at the last tournament you went to out of interest? I completely see the internal balance problem. I suppose the difficulty with balance as a competitive issue is that it becomes linked to tourney data. And at tournaments you are more likely to take units that are multipurpose, so some units rise to the top (for example EH). Some units must be specialist to give the book flavour and diversity, but if I am writing a tournament list I will rar…

  • Quote from WastelandWarrior: “Quote from Kaitin: “Quote from WastelandWarrior: “Quote from Kaitin: “Well, it isn't. WDG were one of the most popular armies before the 2.0 release in our region. It is normal to have no beastmen, no infernal dwarves, or no UD since quite few people bothered to get models for these armies, but having a single WDG army on our local tournaments is a total nonsense. ” maybe the plan was to nerf them until the representation at tourneys was equal? more ID and UD in UK …

  • Quote from Kathal: “Quote from zulu: “Just comparing to what you used to be able to do in previous version - you could have a fairly cheap BSB on demonic mount with 1+ rerollable and fireborn, wrath and great weapon for I think around 600 points, similar (but worse) build now costs around 700. That's the same price as 4 chosen cav! ” Chosen Lord, BSB, Lust, Death Cheater, Great Weapon, Lucky Charm, Karkadan - 630 However, I like that set-up more: Chosen Lord, BSB, Lust, Death Cheater, Lucky Char…

  • Quote from Krokz: “@zulu We kinda all agree that CL is too expensive and afaik this will be addressed. But here we are talking how to make him viable in .204 limitations. And outside Entropic Aura and BSB to complement other parts of the list (supporting EH or CKs) he is just not worth his points on his own. ” Yeah so I think the problem is mainly a cost issue, but there are other changes that could be made to make him more viable. Like I mentioned his mounts are less effective. Losing movement …

  • IMO WDG characters have just taken that small hike from expensive to unaffordable. It is very rare that an 800 or so point combat character will make his points back. Against good players he will eat chaff for 3 turns and thats about it... The mounted characters are even more expensive and I feel are too vulnerable for the points investment. It's just small price changes but in the context of the army it means they are unaffordable and they generally perform less well then the EH for similar cos…

  • Quote from Xeonic: “My entropic BSB build in a chosen of greed unit: Chosen Lord, Favour of Greed, BSB, Entropic Aura, War Dais, Spiked Shield, Aether Icon, Banner of the Relentless Company, Ledger of Souls, Obsidian Rock. 805p 1+ AS, MR 3, Greed so can equip the best weapon for the situation. He's been doing quite well! ” 805 points!! For a movement 4 guy with no ward. Warrior characters are ridonk expensive at the minute...

  • Any way to squeeze an extra table in for us poor reservists?

  • Hey, sign up Jak Payne Please! Cheers

  • Yeah I'm totally easy. Not running ghouls build. But whatevers easiest for Mikey. Just trying to help

  • Quote from Eratu13: “Quote from Eratu13: “Also anyone playing Orcs, VC , Ogres want a grudge against WDG haven't played them in my last 5 events so want a game or 2. Completely new list from my normal no herald/chosen knights if it makes a difference Unfortunately not going to have new list ready in time ” ” Hey Eratu, I'm playing VC and happy to play R1 if you'd like.