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  • I don't really have too much of a gripe with GWT being a bit on the pricy side. I do have a problem with that AND the lack of shooting support. Previously careful positioning and application of shooting could make them effective - the things that could best clear them tended to also be vulnerable to shooting. I think both together has been a bit much.

  • Quote from demgear: “I'd like to see a 75*100 mm Chariotlord. Something like a Beastlord that can only take core chariots, but get them slightly cheaper to compensate for lost scoring units. Have him pulled by two Razorgor, or four/six warhogs, with two Longhorn crew and a Wildhorn. If you price it correctly, and maybe give it some other unique rules it could be a nice centrepiece to the army. I'd also like to see some sort of Shard of the Herdstone type altar, something like the war altar for t…

  • Yeah a real shame. I wouldn't mind goblins getting a bit more priority. Volley fire, gargantulla, mad gits, witch doctor... the goblin side of the army took the nerfs.

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    Throgg - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    Quote from skipschnit: “And when I say "addressed with the next fix", then that means that if you don't see a change in the wording...carry on, it was addressed. ” I never thought that the spider shrine was close to being viable, until this came along - now there can be a close combat character that can benefit from being in combat, the benefit of a fat monster and to still allow the spider shrine to do it's thing. I am happy with this.

  • Quote from Squigkikka: “GWT has never been about getting your points back in a trade, but rather have always been about forcing the opponents hand. They -have- to deal with them, and the easiest way to do this is to place a diverter unit on top. So yeah, you take a trade but the opponent has lost a control element of the game- one of his diverters, most likely. If you've got another GWT, odds are something has to go stand on that too. Now you're the one dictating the game, picking the combats yo…

  • Quote from Warboss_R'ok: “Quote from Pellegrim: “agreed .. meant I like the 1D6+1 S5 hits plus 2 S7 attacks plus 2 S5 attacks in T1 ... ” Yes, it's killy if it gets the charge. But your opponent has to kind of "consent" to it charging because it is the slowest unit in the game with a 7'' march. Actually I think you are better off putting a character on it to get some grinding action out of it, and potentially a 1+ save. But if you have a lot of shooting threat........ maybe they have to come for…

  • Quote from Warboss_R'ok: “Quote from Throgg: “It seems to be becoming a bit of a crutch and it seems like our best combat forces need this just to be able to stand toe to toe with other Jack of all Trades armies combat blocks ” it's inevitable that a good banner that's 0-3 will become a crutch (and therefore close off other options for banners). The alternative would be to give orcs FIER as a special rule. But then you can forget about small units because you're paying for FIER but not using it.…

  • Quote from tommytucker: “so in the hotfix goblin chiefs are all 2HP???? why? ” OK I am being dim here (all too common) but I wasn't expecting anything like this to be released yet (despite being here years I still get lost trying to find my way round the back-alleys of the forum). Where did you read this? Can you post a link?

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    Quote from skipschnit: “Let’s break it down. Spidershrine is only on a Gargantula mount mounted by a wizard. So the King in question has to: 1. Be able to take a Gargantula as a mount and 2. Be a wizard. Currently, if those prerequisites are met, then as written, I don’t see why this can’t happen. I don’t think it is the intent and will most likely be addressed during the fix. So you have around a month to get some cheesy uses out of it. @Eisenheinrich. What do you think? ” Quote from Shlagrabak…

  • I am getting a bit worried about the greentide banner. It seems to be becoming a bit of a crutch and it seems like our best combat forces need this just to be able to stand toe to toe with other Jack of all Trades armies combat blocks (without them being equivalently buffed). If we need two magic banners and character support just to have a good combat block i think we are doing something wrong.

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    Quote from Watz: “Could a solution to the current problem of goblins w bows be a fixed price for bows? Something along the line: Instead of buying their normal bows a unit of goblins can buy the "bowsquad" upgrade. "Bowsquad" costs 30 pts. A unit with the bowsquad upgrade gets bows but can only shoot up to 16 shots per shooting phase. That way even larger units of goblins could buy bows for a decent price and at the same time this could't be abused by going 20 wide for 40 shots. Wanting 40 shots…

  • Quote from Stygian: “Ugh so while building a list around this premise I found my original cost was off on the shield FOEs. Somehow I didn't include the hefty increase for feral. God that unit is pricey. Prohibitively so without spear but stupidly insanely ridiculously so with them. Wtf are they thinking costing something that high?! Thats 27 ppm for a spear orc with 6+/6+. With frenzy! Thats more than flipping iron orcs for morks sakes. ” Yup... not quite sure what happened there. I do think tha…

  • Quote from Tyranno: “Well the curled symbols on his armour do have a celtic vibe. And the musician horns are straight-up Celtic/Gaul. ” And relative frequency of red hair is higher in Celtic societies than in the rest of the world.

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    It has been raised (29th Dec), I think. Not seen an answer. Quote from MikaelO: “i also Wonder about the same thing as @rufdann. Do i get spidersshrine for a boss with Wizard crown on gargantulla. Asking around everywhere but seems no one has the answer. ” @skipschnit, @Mad 'At : Did we resolve this issue? Last post on it seemed inconclusive but may have been something more behind the scenes.

  • OnG Urgent Hotfix

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    Quote from Stygian: “Actually light armour is a great idea. @Throgg would it be possible to tweak the mounted ferals for light armour but remove the shield option? This might be enough to swing paired weapons too. Edit- GGI is difficult for me to assess. Its a weaker buff for some but better for others. I mostly used it to lock down big fatties so I'm pretty happy about the changes since supernal + ows5 on itself means crush attack is more effective now. And it can do stupid things like pump pai…

  • This is a pessimistic view. I too like complexity and i do think there is more space for subtle increases in scope here. On the optimistic side i suggest that there is hope here. Cut out the special rules that add a lot of complexity but not much flavour or tactical depth. Add in new content that enriches the game much more in it's place. With some flavourful rules in the core rulebook for good/evil, divine/secular, organised/chaotic there should be enough to give a good, if restricted, sense of…

  • Well... I am glad to see that shields to have a role to play. I won't argue with your findings but not sure what it is showing at a higher level? Orcs, with their best magic banner can potentially win against elves if you don't give them a magic banner? It sounds negative, but in reality it is a big step forward. I kit out specifically designed to work vs more elite high offensive skill infantry does? A kit for when you don't need high AP for but benefit from a cap on to hit? Nice to know it wor…

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    Throgg - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    This is useful. We can certainly ask to Re-look at paired weapons. It might not come in the highest priority category but I think there is a case there that people will be open to.

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    Quote from Traumdieb: “ Thats much better than most cavs for 32 a modell. Plus for each orcattack battle focus. Besides they worked twice so far . But I dont complain when they get better ” We to be fair you can't just compare with other cavalry at 32 points per model. We should be comparing with cavalry units when equipped with the best magic banner in the army and supported by a character with a second banner. Oh, and probably compare against frenzy + low discipline as well as we want to compa…

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    I think that mounted eadbashers and mounted orcs might be a harder one to get traction with. They were in a bad place but they got a significant boost from the redesign. Now this boost is arguably not enough but to push for something more I think we will need some substantial test data. There should be a questionnaire being finalised and out over the next couple of days to collect test results. Lets get as many games as possible in and into the questionnaire/survey. There is a deadline of the 14…