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  • ETC 2019 Lists

    umbranar - - ETC

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    Quote from Fnarrr: “Quote from Cam: “The evo/div is very good so it's not surprising it is mainly UD that offend. It's potentially the combo that is more the offender than the path on its own. All lists have this combo in some form bar 4 (Turkey, Norway, Italy and Latvia). ” Is the same repeated in DL? Certainly looks a lot more that Protean magic is in the lead there. Evo / Div for UD mostly simply points to Cosmo being a bit poor. Its not just about what's taken, its also about what's NOT take…

  • ETC 2019 Lists

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    Quote from Fnarrr: “Screw it, i'm almost done anyway... UD: 29 armies, all have masters 23 Divination 1 Cosmology 4 Evocation 1 Unmarked DL: 26 Armies, mix of protean masters, masters, and adepts. Sometimes double master Relevant masters with choices: 10 4 divination 4 thaumaturgy 1 evocation 1 witchcraft DL have tied pew pew lores between div and thaum, with the combat support lores trailing behind or delegated to adepts. UD have the clearest DIv lean so far, and are the source of the problem. …

  • ETC 2019 UD Lists

    umbranar - - Undying Dynasties (UD)

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    Internal balance is off by quite a bit. Big chariot, Bowshabti and Tomb Catapract blocks paired with buffs (magic and architect) and raising is just too reliable. The less fortunate units (Necropolis Guard, Sphinxes) are simply not reliable, durable or damaging enough.

  • I guess that depends on the performance. All of the units I mentioned are very reliable. Doomlord is the hammer forsworn need. The War Dias Envy CL gets into combat easily and wrecks face with burning portent (especially as UD is on top with popularity with 29 lists). Envy Chosen with halberds are just good all-round, they can take monsters and infantry without too much S or AP. Greed knights are versatile.

  • Quote from Inn0c: “Thats not really a problem with elves, but with the low impact of having high OS/DS in general. Do you have OS 8? doesnt matter because your opponent has Parry Do you have DS 7? doesnt matter because your opponent has rerolls ” Elves still hit on 3+ though. The DS is was does not make sense to me as it does little. A +1 difference should have been 5+ to hit straight away, kind of like the to wound table.

  • ETC 2019 UD Lists

    umbranar - - Undying Dynasties (UD)

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    Indeed, the NG and Sphinx models of GW were the pull for me as well. Shabti's too but I don't have GW models fo those.

  • Quote from xciccox: “Elves are supposed be fast and agile...so what about give them distracting in cc? And no armor special rules? ” I am guessing they have Lightning Reflexes, high OS and DS and Agi to show that.

  • Some interesting things from the tally that showed up: War Dias Envy Chosen Lord is really popular, most with Burning Portent. Envy Chosen with halberds seem to be the go-to killer unit. Half the time, Warrior Knights are used with Greed in small units (5). Doomlords with 5 to 8 Forsworn is popular.

  • ETC 2019 UD Lists

    umbranar - - Undying Dynasties (UD)

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    I am guessing that the Divination dominance is to blame for monsters being on a low burner.

  • Quote from niggeles: “Quote from Happy Aspid: “among 24 Sorcerers we see only 3 veil walkers ” I counted 10 veil walkers. What is really surprising for me is so many barbarians in those lists. What are you guys using them for? Are these players so good, that they can play with anything, even in high level games? ” Ill finish the last two pages counting and then do a recount. I also want to count the number of WDG specific items used. EDIT: finished the counting including items.

  • Unit and Item count WDG armies ETC 2019 (possible miscounts, let me know): WDG AB Items/Enchantments: Burning Portent: 14 (1 Doomlord, 13 Chosen Lord) Symbol of Slaughter: 0 Gladiator's Spirit: 8 (7 Doomlord, 1 Sorcerer) Thrice-Forged: 4 (1 Chosen Lord, 3 Sorcerer) Zealot's Banner: 8 (7 Warriors, 1 Warrior Knights) Icon of the Infinite: 2 (2 Battleshrine) Wasteland Torch: 2 (1 Chosen Knights, 1 Forsworn) Ledger of Souls: 5 (5 Sorcerer) Immortal Gauntlets: 5 (2 Doomlord, 3 Chosen Lord Lord of the…

  • Points can fix it I think. Same goes the FDE and FDA although FDE sees some play.

  • ETC 2019 UD Lists

    umbranar - - Undying Dynasties (UD)

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    And here I was about to a proper ACS and all the work was already done for me :p From those stats, can you crunch the total numbers for each unit? Also lets pour one out for the Scarabs, Necropolis Guard and Colossus

  • Quote from noir: “Quote from umbranar: “Would love to see tactical superiority while the stats remain within elven limits. Formations has been suggestion in the past and I think would be a blast. Might also lay some groundwork for EoS (why re-invent the wheel?) ” Eos is more of a horde army. I don’t think that there should be major similarities/ can be without one army being defunct. ” Well nothing should be copied one on one, but mechanics for formations might be functional for both armies. But…

  • Would love to see tactical superiority while the stats remain within elven limits. Formations has been suggestion in the past and I think would be a blast. Might also lay some groundwork for EoS (why re-invent the wheel?)

  • I usually play 2 anvils with support around it. MMU i guess for elfies.

  • Quote from KiRaHyuU: “Quote from noir: “Quote from pazda_pl: “Quote from berti: “I see nearly no auxiliarys in the lists, propably because their price is high. While their shooting is not dangerous enough to make them worthy. Propably a price drop could help, or a redesign. (...) I like repeater handguns, but not for current price. I also like the auxiliars but they are also to expensive. In my opinion it is a price issue. (...) ” Yes, but price reduction is aginst elitness, so IMO it should be …

  • For UD its like this: Each chariot has 2 crew members. Each of those has 2 attacks. For large models, each model part can make a maximum of 3 supporting attacks if not harnessed. For the UD chariot that means both crew members are allowed to make their 2 attacks each. So thats 4 attacks in total from the crew as supporting attack. simple example: a 2x3 formation makes 6 times 4 attacks, so 12 front row attacks and 12 supporting attack for a grand total of 24 attacks.

  • Quote from Madsvg: “that would make them even better than Corsairs again, and push corsairs into an even more obscure corner of inefficiency... ” Unless corsairs get proper special deployment like ambush and maybe a feature to easier charge flanks/rears and better pursuing. They are the slave catchers after all. This would give them their own niche role.

  • paired weapons won't save auxiliries, although everything depends on the god stat: pricing. Imho, throw away Auxilies, make Rxb's an option for legionnaires and Imo combining rxb for front row with spears in the back rows and then we might like to risk our ranged units. If Rxb shot influence the incoming combat, then thats the way to go. (debuffs, count Stand&shoot kills toward CR, whatever).