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The latest issue of the 9th Scroll is here! You can read all about it in the news.

  • issue with the survey as you can submit multiple times with the same account/IP address. This may lead to skewed data if people abuse it.

  • @matrim agreed, the survey is not brilliant or in depth enough by itself to notify with any accuracy exactly what needs to happen and I would advocate for space to place feelings in there to inform but the tools presented are such that they minimize the data collection effort to inform as a series of data points. Combining with feedback threads and EE feedback as separate data points should allow the teams to make much more informed decisions around price. Will also bring up internally the abili…

  • @all Please submit your responses to the HBE survey as well as any discussions re the survey/balance of the army in the following thread so that we can collate and collect it asap! the-ninth-age.com/community/in…19-balance-update-survey/

  • Princes and Admirals, Its that time of the year when the gods of balance look to the masses to see if they need to realign their thoughts to better serve their people. As such, please ensure to submit your views on the forces of the pearl throne as soon as you are able. the-ninth-age.com/community/ne…-internal-balance-survey/ This thread will also be used for discussion around points and prospects for the new update so put your thoughts on paper and make them count! Cheers HBE ACS team

  • @jimbo81 this is just coming across as a total whine fest now. You need one thing, Perspective. Play another army for a bit, you'll start realising just how good warriors are and just how useful they can be. "all other core can beat us"? really? that's hyperbolic BS and you know it. try being that price without any of the protection (aka playing elves) and see how it feels.

  • Quote from Fnarrr: “Now that I'm tied for 2nd best HbE at ETC, and at an average positive score (albeit a modest 11), does my opinion that elves are generally fine start to count for something or...? Side info, i got 49 pts in 4 games I actually played (12 avg), and 17 across two games with agreed results. ” ex dwarf player opinions count for nothing! on a more serious note, well done! and also your opinions always carried weight, but opinions have a hard time fighting perceptions and there was …

  • it is a pricing grievance, but we are all pretty well aware that there wont be a lot of change on that. The mounts section is too crowded for us which gives less space for differentiation. We have 6 flying mounts for gods sake, they will step on each others toes until that is sorted

  • Quote from Grouchy Badger: “No. ” very productive answer, care to elaborate so we can understand?

  • Better equipment could literally mean anything, it doesn't just have to mean armour. Think of it like this, what if better equipment meant something like eg. Dread legion standard issue - light armour - models equipped with this armour gain +2 march. That is better equipment, speaks to higher movement values that msu need to dictate the flow of battle but also doesn't make them faster into combat than other elves, just better at positioning. Think outside the box, the stats where split up specif…

  • Quote from Squirrelloid: “Because HbE have just as much offense and significantly better defense anyway? ” HBE dont have killer instinct, nor do they have death trance or crippling fatigue nor Banner of Blood, Midnight cloak, trancendence. DE has a huge emphasis on more damage than HBE, and considering HBE are supposed to be the more defensive of the elves I would expect that our book looks to increase defense as much as elvenly possible. There are a few damage outliers (SM for example) but im w…

  • I seem to have hit a nerve, not my intention, but be that as it may. Reading through the better part of 25 pages of back and forth with a large emphasis on making DE more defensive through armour with very little else being presented as a viable option does seem to me that to some people, adding armour is the only way. I'm playing devils advocate by pointing out that its not. I agree that MSU is difficult to deliver with R3 expensive units, but it isn't impossible, and nor is it impossible to th…

  • Quote from Calisson: “Quote from Masamune88: “Why is it now that DE are crying out of more defense? ” Because most DE models show heavy armors. ” and 9th age is ment to be model agnostic. Wysiwyg should not be a reason to implement a mechanical rule. If you want to be as lethal in combat as you currently are and add on top of that higher armour for defence, be very prepared for a significant increase in price to counteract the increased eliteness. Be also rather prepared that you will probably g…

  • Quote from Wesser: “Quote from Masamune88: “interesting to read through all of this thread and hear the cries for more defence when DE are meant to scream offense. The idea that has been floating around for ages re the elven traits was ; DE - offense HbE - defense SE - dodge Why is it now that DE are crying out of more defense? ” Well to be fair offence is only worth something if you're alive to use it, and an army of glasscannons isn't going to provide fun games But it's why I suggest defence t…

  • Quote from DarkSky: “Quote from Masamune88: “Why is it now that DE are crying out of more defense? ” Because having a super-duper-mega-close-combat army, that either reaches combat and then annihilates the opponent or doesn't reach the opponent and is insta-defeated makes very disappointing games. I am honestly very confused by your post. As HE Community Support you should know better. HE Sword Masters have the same issue, don't they? Would you want to make them even better in combat for even mo…

  • But be aware that you may need to maneuver your thought patterns a little due to the 3 way dynamic of the elves. Adding armour to mitigate damage to a faction that already excels in cc and has maneuverable options will close design space for other factions and and ensure a large price hike. Just keep that in mind. I would suggest looking at active defenses, think how Grey Wardens work in HBE.

  • interesting to read through all of this thread and hear the cries for more defence when DE are meant to scream offense. The idea that has been floating around for ages re the elven traits was ; DE - offense HbE - defense SE - dodge Why is it now that DE are crying out of more defense?

  • ask @Herminard re how effective HBE core can be, he took 300 spears to quite a few tourneys lately

  • For those of you focused on the idea of removing LR and gaining Off 7 on regular troops (which is highly unlikely to happen), what do you propose for the leaders of the book, who already have off 7? They need to be superior to our standard troops but I highly doubt that the rest of the community would be happy with off 10 (scourge level) def 10 elven princes. Think of the whole, not the part

  • Noticed an issue with battlescribe this morning. HBE - Ancient dragon upgrade isnt being reflected in statistic changes. Points are allocated but AD is sitting with D stats.

  • Possible? Yes, technically anything is possible in the LAB phase, it would also speak to the static bow line aspect that we are meant to excel at. It really depends on interpretation of the guidelines by ADT as to how far we can push it though