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  • OK General chat

    DanT - - Ogre Khans (OK)

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    Quote from Wesser: “Ehm lowering Core requirements instead of making Core attractive is generally bad. I agree completely. This is not about making core attractive. I would be suggesting this change independently of whether core tax still existed in the book. Using lower Core percentage as a carrot for fielding something is an even worse idea In general, I agree completely. Indeed, I voted against the VC changes you bring up in the rest of your post. However... consider my hypothesis as to the p…

  • ETC2019 - SE lists

    DanT - - Sylvan Elves (SE)

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    And yet other people tell me I should pay attention to what the top players choose to use... Such an interesting game we play

  • 2.0 BH Beta Discussion Thread

    DanT - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Yeah, but thats because the BH book was wholly unsuited to 8th edition. And it was not a competitive book anyway, even when played this way: In the ETC, it used to get 2700pts to (nearly) everyone else's 2400, and the other armies were comped harder too. If your view of BH is based around 8th edition WFB bricks, then it explains a lot about some of your thoughts and comments. Be aware that historically speaking, these armies were really an anomaly over the course of legacy. For the record though…

  • ETC2019 - SE lists

    DanT - - Sylvan Elves (SE)

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    Sorry, I meant top 4. My subconscious just assumes Poland are on the podium.

  • 2.0 BH Beta Discussion Thread

    DanT - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    I wonder if a big core brick is just structurally incoherent with BH. Certainly I struggle to recall a time in t9a or legacy where core bricks were common and BH were externally in a reasonable place. I don't think wildhorns are a big handicap per se, I certainly did alright with them when I took them to an event, and that was a worse meta for them than the current one. I just think they will almost never be the best choice of how to play the army from a macroscopic perspective. I mean, as I've …

  • Quote from zulu: “@DanT I think most of the London guys are going to Midlands the week before so probably won't be making this! Think the scheduling was too tricky for most of us. ” Quote from sparkytrypod: “Im the in Morocco that week, so I am out. ” Quote from 20phoenix: “@DanT Renegades won't make it. Half the club have calendar clashes, I'm house buying so can't justify the trip, leaving one soul who probably won't travel alone... ” Thanks for letting me know.

  • ETC2019 - SE lists

    DanT - - Sylvan Elves (SE)

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    Interestingly, it seemed to me that the SE lists on the podium were the least tree heavy. Of course, like any other anecdote, this should not be taken too seriously. But it is nonetheless noteworthy given some of the discussions on this forum.

  • Quote from GSbasic: “Quote from DanT: “Quote from GSbasic: “I’m in the boat that AP should be capped at +4 with the exception of alchemy lore, and toxic attacks, which should be incredible rare. Although with the current cowboys these days, high AP is just a must. ” I disagree.I think more eidolon style mechanics (armour save capped at a particular value) would be the healthiest thing for the game. Reduces RPS-ness of 1+ saves, whilst also not negating low armour values entirely. ” I would suppo…

  • OK General chat

    DanT - - Ogre Khans (OK)

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    Quote from Clangeddin Silverbeard: “Quote from DanT: “I took OK with a GK to a big 5000pt singles event last year and came 2nd. I think 4500pts presents structural challenges for OK that are removed at 5000pts, equalising the competitiveness of different styles of build. ” Can you elaborate a bit on how you used him? What did he do that cannot be done more point effectively with shaman, khan & hunter(s)? Because: I want to use him - I really do - but I always end up going crown on the shaman or …

  • ETC lists

    DanT - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Didn't the swiss ETC list (on the podium) take 2 cannons?

  • That's good then, if it so heavily over-represented, then that means data and community agree it is a problem. Always nice when that's the case.

  • OK General chat

    DanT - - Ogre Khans (OK)

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    Quote from Zwei: “I dont agree. I honestly dont. Do you think - in your personal experience and knowledge - that if the point size would be 5000 instead of 4500, that tournament lists would not include more monsters/canons/hunters instead of a GK? As example Scrubs list from the ETC: Thomas “Scrub” Ahlich - Ogre Khans (C) 540 - Shaman, General, Thaumaturgy, Iron Fist, Lygur’s Tongue, Magical Heirloom, Wizard Master 365 - Khan, BSB, Plate Armour, Paired Weapons, Iron Fist, Halberd, Great Weapon, …

  • Quote from GSbasic: “I’m in the boat that AP should be capped at +4 with the exception of alchemy lore, and toxic attacks, which should be incredible rare. Although with the current cowboys these days, high AP is just a must. ” I disagree. I think more eidolon style mechanics (armour save capped at a particular value) would be the healthiest thing for the game. Reduces RPS-ness of 1+ saves, whilst also not negating low armour values entirely.

  • OK General chat

    DanT - - Ogre Khans (OK)

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    I still contend there is a lot of over-analysis of the GK here. I think he is basically fine at 5000pts, and if the standard game size wasn't 4500pts this discussion wouldn't even be taking place. Thus, thinking too much about synergy or sweeping army changes is potentially a red herring. I have long advocated for 900pt core for OK, but barring that I think 900pt core when a GK is taken is sensible and fluffy, and helps to bridge the structural problems of taking a GK in 4500pts. That said, the …

  • 6+ clubs duking it out so far Getting proper psyched for this now! Which club will be the first to become the UK's number 1 ninth age club... ? Quote from sparkytrypod: “would love to travel from ireland with a few mates. @demgear @JamesMcDonnell ” Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “Could be good craic yeah. We need two clubs to get some free drink out of Dan so we need to round up some more ” Quote from demgear: “Should be able to round up 4 from Ireland... flights from Dublin to Manchester are €130 a…

  • Lots of talk about hourglass. Anyone got numbers on its popularity, in general and in terms of how lists with it place? E.g. ETC data?

  • ETC lists

    DanT - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from Herminard: “Quote from DanT: “Anyone done the counts for catapults etc in these lists? ” Its a case of lacking alternative ranged preassure - not a case of Vermins lacking tools to deal with blocks in the current meta. Elves are few - their blocks unaccounted for - while monsters and larger critters roam. Always one to change the subject rather than answer the question --- On a separate note - as a Battle Line enthusiast - I hope that someone at some point has to take a look at how th…

  • For those objecting, perhaps they could suggest alternative ways to get a good view of the internal balance of the books that does not require substantial additional resources or staff time? Also note there are no rules about how to handle the complication situations, so you can feel free to score them as you feel is appropriate.

  • OK General chat

    DanT - - Ogre Khans (OK)

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    @RobertR I can't be sure as I am not staff anymore. And the nuances likely vary from person to person anyway. But as far as I am aware, on a general level, the staff make a clear distinction in balance discussions between internal and external balance. For example list variety was generally always considered as primarily an indicator of internal balance. As a concrete example: a unit could appear in every list in an army which is externally underperforming. Most of what I said follows logically …

  • VS Brainstorming for LAB

    DanT - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from cptcosmic: “as far as I remember, units with battle focus that got reduced DS also received +1 OS, hulks for some reason did not. ” Incorrect. The majority of units didn't get +1OS. It was successfully argued for on a minority (e.g. kadims).