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  • Quote from Archeron: “Quote from cptcosmic: “Quote from Wesser: “The standard reasons. You can't judge the SE dragon for example by how good it would be in the HBE army, because the SE dragon is priced based on it's value in the context of the SE army. It needs to be considered that it is only DI9, that it competes with Wild Huntsmen in the character section, what support it can get, what role it actually play in the army and so on. ” does the HBE variant provides more power to the army because …

  • Quote from Fnarrr: “Quote from Trains_Get_Robbed: “That’s simply wrong. Not allowing a Bsb upgrade for a MotC would effect external balance ” ...that was basically what I said, but enjoy your rant anyway MotC that isn't a BSB is a valid option internally though. You need a support mage a lot of the time, and with bow of elu for 365 he is a reasonable tradeoff vs an adept for 225; your actual BSB will probably end up being QC (around 250 pts). ” It didn’t read that way to me, because he would be …

  • Quote from DanT: “Anyone here still want to moan about data driven approaches? Anyone? ” Is this a “I told you so?” Because the data driven approach does have flaws even if I support it as the only real logical measurement of external army strength. Quote from Giladis: “It should be noted that being in the bottom tier does not mean the army is awful. It merely means that within the spread of performances it has the strongest trend to be placed there. The army performances which will most likely …

  • Quote from Ludaman: “Seems pretty cut and dry. Most enchantments (not all) give weapons “Magical Attacks” most spells (maybe all? I didn’t check) that do damage deal “magical attacks” some shooting does magical attacks. If daemon’s bane gives you +2 Armor against magical attacks, it gives you +2 armor against these things. Is someone arguing otherwise? ” Correct. Yes I would assume the same thing, but I recall there being a separate ruling/debate. Quote from Lagerlof: “Quote from Trains_Get_Robb…

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    Trains_Get_Robbed - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from epoepo: “Quote from Trains_Get_Robbed: “Quote from epoepo: “So a lot of crying from outsiders during the year about our army being op and we are not doing even 10 points on average, with our uber daemons, pendulums, wheels annnnd mighty catas XD ” Well. . . Because it is? Lol Yeah, it is, because you are saying that. I´ve not seen you in rats subforum never and come here like an expert XD Just because at the most prestigious tourney of the year the army finished slightly below average…

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    Trains_Get_Robbed - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from Lagerlof: “@Trains_Get_Robbed It's not a good idea to call someone out for hyperboling, and then do the exact same thing yourself. Just saying ” Sure I used two statements of hyperbole, but as someone that’s levying a claim, and knows the numbers of said unit/model in question why do I need to support it? I’ll let them do the math. While the claim of external vice internal balance, and the coping of ETC’s meta game to handling VS and UD is a reasonable hypothesis. Quote from Bogi: “We…

  • What is the official ruling on Daemon’s Bane from the HBE book? I can’t find the old debates anywhere. Form what I recall it was: The +2 AS only applies to Magical Attacks that are from models that innately have it, or magic. Vice the current wording which reads: “The wearer gains +2 Armour against Magical Attacks.“ Is there a faq or errata I’m missing?

  • Quote from Fnarrr: “Quote from Trains_Get_Robbed: “Army S/W shouldn’t be a thing, rather a guideline dictated through the fluff of each army. ” That's whats happening in T9A? You are thinking of the old hangover fluff, which often says "we are amazing at everything" for a bunch of armies. But its not really relevant here. The new fluff and play styles will reflect each other ” What’s not relevant? Old fluff? I’m not referring to old fluff. Don’t know how you inferred that. (As an aside: there’s …

  • Quote from Herminard: “Quote from PadForce: “yeah, but that play style is totally not achievable with our current book ” That is true - but T9A is still a much better sandbox than any other game ever was - if it was deemed a desired playstyle. ” This is very rose tinted glasses of you. Most other game systems didn’t have to “determine” a playstyle, because their justification was the book itself being released. Have Cavalry? You can play knights/busses. Have elite infantry? You can play footslog…

  • Quote from The Changing Constant: “I think a buff wagon would completely the wrong way to go. Part of the biggest differentiator between HBE and EoS is the open play style allowed by HBE elite units not needing buffs and able to work independently. Furthermore, it would further erode the already tenuis difference between HBE and DE. I think moving some units to conclave/support is the right move. Also, either dragon cavalry, loin cavalry or a magic pillar(that is not a buff wagon) all sound like…

  • S1N just happened in Toledo Ohio. Do you need lists for that? I feel guilty for saying I’d lend a hand, starting, and never finishing.

  • Quote from Vespacian: “@Trains_Get_Robbed @Eldren Let me know if you want me to take over some of the ones your working on. I’d really like HBE to be in one of the first group reviewed for points as I think we need it! ” I just realized I haven’t done Buckeye Battles, and still had my name next to it. Feel free to take it from me.

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    Trains_Get_Robbed - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from Lagerlof: “It's funny, I don't even like the catapults Never feel like they do anything that matters in the game, but sure, great potential. I would make Brotherhood Bodyguard (Pendulum) and remove Stubborn, would atleast promote bigger units instead of the min sized 20. And is more equal to other strong infantry units with characters, Imperial Guard, Iron Orcs etc. I would do some slight changes to the wheels, maybe remove S6 from CC, or change to hit on 4+ in CC as well. But IMO the…

  • Quote from Peacemaker: “Quote from Trains_Get_Robbed: “22 RH: FC; Becalming ” I didn't play my HBE in 1.0 so I'm not too familiar with the Royal Huntsmen label. And when I played against HBE is 1.0 everyone just called everything by the old 8th edition names. After 2.0 I made an effort to call everything by their 2.0 T9A names. This isn't targeted specifically at you because I see this all over. lol. It gets difficult seeing abbreviations of names that are no longer officially used. Quote from T…

  • Got done at playing in S1N yesterday. The event S1N is a 4 man team event that’s the original, and largest in the US of its kind (there’s two others that have started recently on the West and East coast, they have similar numbers, but not quite 10 teams yet). I ended the weekend tied for best overall points at 84 (second after Victory Points scores), and my teammate @tulmir of KoE ACS game finished third at 82 (Tulmir actually beat the player that had the best overall points 14-6). The list I ra…

  • Quote from Firthunands91: “Have to agree with herminard. He compares prices with things that are op and will get nerfed, or are key in other people armies and are priced accordingly to their book. You can't have the good toys from everyone, and add them to the current strengths of the army. Then yeah, in his current list of any of you it might mean a 50-60 points drop, but it's not like if you start pricing all the items at 30-50 points, and reducing by 30-50% de point of mounts or honors, you a…

  • Quote from DanT: “Quote from Trains_Get_Robbed: “I feel I’m short a unit or two units in about every game I play. ” Your US ETC team have made a document with a lot of advice/tips in it as part of their preparation this year. You might find some of it quite helpful. I dno if they are releasing it freely to the community, but perhaps you could get in touch and ask them about it. If you aren't sure who to ask, let me know and I'll tag them for you. Although I think some of them might be on the ETC…

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    Trains_Get_Robbed - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    Quote from Warboss Tooth: “Quote from Firthunands91: “Super strong tournament for the greenskins! Congratulations to all, especially @Warboss Tooth after doubting about his list, 24th overall with 87 points! ” *cough cough* not bad for the weakest ong list of the tournament ” How many matches were green lit? What did arguably your best boi play against? He got fed to the wolves day one. Lol Quote from Phoenix5: “When Gnashers were 13 points and no one took them. They got bumped down to 12 and al…

  • My BattleScribe exploded. I have no clue what’s wrong. Edit: after fresh sober eyes I’m getting a “database corruption error” regardless where, index from.

  • Quote from Fnarrr: “50-150 more like, so basically 100 points (or ~ 1 eagle). Aka 2.2% ” I’d say 300 points. Especially in the character slot. Would free up choices there, and allow for more mobile characters as well as filling out a unit in special without sacrificing chaff. 100 points gets an Eagle, and the other 150 gets you 5 FW or LG, or let’s you take more reavers from core forgo the special chaff, and play around with taking a Phoenix or Ryma Knights without sacrificing your ability to ex…