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  • SE-VS 18-2 (Refused flank/Multiple Objectives) MVP: Vanguarding 12 Forest Rangers (Locked down the VS flank and kilde a Dreadmill, 14 Footpads, Machinist an 2 unit Jezzails) LVP: Treefather

  • So... not much news What backing number are we at?

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “The fifteen guys hit comparably to the Vampire Knights, and better for murdering characters. And it's not a bunker - it's a deathstar. Deployed 6 wide (fine even vs. narrow infantry) it's deep enough to get big flanks and murderous enough to kill a lot of things. Four big threats and two characters who can cowboy it up at a moment's notice, plus quad chaff, is really spicy. And they're not poor fighters. Lances with S4 AP1 is still high quality, and even off the charge …

  • Quote from Trains_Get_Robbed: “ Quote from Wesser: “ ” See above. Their roles are identical. The fact that you’re mentioned other reasons simply shows a lack of experience with HBE and SE with Dragons, or lists in general. ” Dwarf/Skeleton/Elf spearmen also have identical roles and how relevant would you say comparing those in a vacuum is? I don't think the SE/HBE Dragon are comparable on price, because price needs to be based on the internal workings of the army. I don't care even the slightest…

  • Honestly I think things are okay. I mean unlike other armies there not a single unit or character (except maybe the Avatar) that I don't consider perfectly playable. Sure, no few are a huge gamble and priced as if they weren't, but I'm okay with having high risk/high reward units If we get drops on the magic items that frankly suck it will make elf characters (and the regiments they go in) more attractive, and honestly I don't need more than that. UD have a few iffy choices, but aside from that …

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from Kanadian: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “What do you *want* to play with? ” With UD I would love to play skeletons. In KoE knights... In VC Black knights. I dont rely play the other armies I won... as well I just dont for basing reasons. ” Mmmm. UD basic skeletons definitely do suck compared to everything else. Not sure what the issue is with KoE Knights and VC Barrow Knights - in particular, I was personally very tempted by the list DanT came up with for VC; Cha…

  • Yes magic items are overpriced on Goblins in general Forest Goblins however can take Shieldbreaker paired weapons, which is pretty nice. Cave Goblins can just take a greatweapon and hang out with some netters. Play the strengths I say

  • Quote from AlexCat: “Quote from Wesser: “You have a look at how often the SE Dragon is used (and perhaps how often it is General) compared to other characters. Maybe if you are really thorough you look at the sort of lists it is in and whether it always uses the same build (it does), and price it from there. ” Ahh... thought so. Thats why we have 460 pts HBE dragon now against 440 DE/SE one. Good job! ” Again.. the pricing of the SE should have nothing to do with what the price on the HBE dragon…

  • Quote from arwaker: “That is a valid point. Could be solved by having some Goblin only magic weapons, that could be made more point efficient than if designed for Orcs AND Goblins. I think this would be an important point, but one that the Orc players might not so happy about, because it takes away some of their options (compared to the situation where all itmes are designed for everyone). ” Outside the scope of price update, but a time ago I suggested a role where Goblins pay X% less for magic …

  • Quote from Evaenarion: “@Wesser furion states the usage of the dragon and its value within the hbe army. Same as he does with rymas. And both are somehow overpriced crutches to zone. His point reduction on both is reasonable. Rymas maybe even too timid, i do not know. I don't argue with that at all. Only the parts where Rymas gets compared to Raptor knights, which I feel is irrelevant We have nothing else in that category. SE and VC do. SE dragon being "less popular, than hbe one" does not mean …

  • Quote from AlexCat: “Quote from Wesser: “The standard reasons. You can't judge the SE dragon for example by how good it would be in the HBE army, because the SE dragon is priced based on it's value in the context of the SE army. It needs to be considered that it is only DI9, that it competes with Wild Huntsmen in the character section, what support it can get, what role it actually play in the army and so on. ” And how do you do that? ” Easy You have a look at how often the SE Dragon is used (an…

  • Quote from Fnarrr: “He picked his external comparisons fairly carefully I think, to be against things that are as similar as possible. Don't forget its a secondary aspect - the primary is after evaluating a unit to not be popular. After that you know its gotta come down, so you can lean into some external comparisons as an anchor (since you have nothing else at that point - he used internal ones where they were available) The only thing where a price-down suggestions was driven entirely by exter…

  • Quote from Klexe: “Quote from Fleshbeast: “While VS have been allocated Tier 1 status, I think we can agree that the vast majority of posts in the forum are targeted at the VPD “Net List”. As such, I would hope that the points adjustments are targeted at internal balance as much or more than external balance. Thereby fixing both issues. For example, I would hope that we would see points reductions for Vermin Guard additional models. 35xVG are 600pts with command which seems high though their occ…

  • Quote from yhandros: “What would be the point to limit something in a "mid tier" army? To make it go down? Even with the possibility of spamming GH units it's still a "mid tier" army. ” Because mid-tier armies can have undesirable builds too. Gnasher Herds aren't OP by themselves, but when someone is taking 3 x 32 it nullifies a good bit of their weaknesses.

  • Quote from Trains_Get_Robbed: “ Quote from Wesser: “Nice post by Furion, even though the many many comparisons to stuff the other elf factions have are rather pointless Don't disagree Lancers might need a point drop, but worst heavy cavalry in the game is bit harsh. Depending on whether you count 4+ non-light cavalry units in the same category I think there are several units out there with stronger claims to that title. ” Uh, why not? Cross army comparisons when used within race: Elves, Dwarves,…

  • Not unexpected despite the whole ETC discussion I won't repeat my opinion of tiers as a balancing tools, but remember that these tiers aren't comparable to the WFB days. All 16 armies could probably fit within 1-2 tiers of those days. The data on unit use has been gathered (but we still need to do the common magic items before the update can happen) and I'm not entirely sure the ACS will be heard about the changes, but if anyone have a top 3 for what should have a cost reduction, what can be inc…

  • Nice post by Furion, even though the many many comparisons to stuff the other elf factions have are rather pointless Don't disagree Lancers might need a point drop, but worst heavy cavalry in the game is bit harsh. Depending on whether you count 4+ non-light cavalry units in the same category I think there are several units out there with stronger claims to that title. All the rest - Sure :). I do think he misses some important points in the urge to talk down HBE here and there (as a VC player l…

  • Quote from Phoenix5: “ Gnasher Dashers are a whole different story (do they really count as goblin units ) they ether need a full remake or go down by 9-10 points per model... ” Whut? Have you ever played them? They're pretty damn neat. I suspect Gnasher Herds will go up in price to prevent the spam lists and I suspect that will get the overlooked Dashers to shine more. They're just ace on a flank against non-elves

  • OK General chat

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    Quote from Morgan_Treeman: “Quote from Wesser: “I personally fear Tuskers waaaay more than Aurochs Both hit like trucks, are best when zoning - Tuskers are just able to Score while doing it. - My goblins struggle to harm Tuskers unless they field Mad Gitz, while the Auroch is extremely vulnerable to my Gnasher Dashers, massed STR3 bowfire and Forest Goblins - My Sylvan Elves also struggle to harm Tuskers unless I have Wild Huntsmen or manage something special with Forest Rangers or Pathfinders. …

  • Too much poison on one model. They wont get it