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  • Can you tell me how the vestal riders are? (Quality/material/return on investment)

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Amulet of spite should also really go down in price imo!

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    I thick fuether increases due to being low tier are really not needed. Only the altar should increase, chariots and infantry should decrease respectively though.

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Very much agree on the boosted version of the hereditary!!!

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from GSbasic: “ 1. What should see an increase that didn’t get one, or what increase should be greater? The altar 2. What should get a decrease, or what decrease should be greater? olaron upgrade moraecs reaping base cost of the wizard assassin Corsairs raptor chariot Tower guard Dread judges Hydra 3. What combos do you see now available that were not available before? 4.what combos do you see now NOT available that were available before? oracle with wandering familiar, destinys call, mora…

  • if the DE calculation is mine then brb items are in it as well.

  • I know why. Blt had the impression it always would have to be a 5 dice spell because the potential is too powerful. With a couple of games under my belt now I must say I don’t share the concerns to that intensity and would think a casting value of 11+ would be good as well. You probably should bring it forward to RT. As It stands now most people just don’t cast it. This to me is a clear sign for a too high CV.

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Peacemaker: “QUestion: What does TowerGuard offer that Blades of Nabh do not? There are slight differences that affect rare matchups but overall I think Blades of Babh are better to have than TowerGuard. ” are you joking?

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Ilderoth: “Quote from noir: “Quote from Ilderoth: “Quote from noir: “As I said Internal balance wise it does make sense. Externally I’m not sure. ” I'm not sure I agree. Consider, for instance, Moraec's Reaping and Wandering Familiar. If internal balance really was the issue here, then it would have made more sense not to increase the costs of these two items but instead raise the cost of the dragon for the oracle. That would have resulted in better internal balance I think. It would …

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Ilderoth: “Quote from noir: “As I said Internal balance wise it does make sense. Externally I’m not sure. ” I'm not sure I agree. Consider, for instance, Moraec's Reaping and Wandering Familiar. If internal balance really was the issue here, then it would have made more sense not to increase the costs of these two items but instead raise the cost of the dragon for the oracle. That would have resulted in better internal balance I think. It would have given people the same incentive to …

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    As I said Internal balance wise it does make sense. Externally I’m not sure. @Nemeroth you could play moraecs and familiar plus the 2+ armour from BRB if I’m not mistaken? Still a well save and there’s your combat caster. The thing is that this tone isn’t helpful to get your point across to RT. So maybe try to be a bit more productive?

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    As I said earlier: from an internal balance POV these price hikes do make sense. From an external POV I’m not convinced. Etc lists raising in average over vcs average is a bad sign I think. Now I personally couldn’t care less as I mostly don’t play power lists and avoid the altar and chariots for some time now, but still, overall for the balance of the game I’m not sure it is a good update for us. But I personally played RA, blades, DK and captains before and surely will not stop now. In the oth…

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Nemeroth: “Quote from VampsinMD: “unfortunate the captain bsb on foot with moraecs reaping and seal of the republic is no longer possible ” Of course it isn’t! It’s too gamebreaking. ” Yo chill nemeroth always keep in mind that there are a lot of buffs too and 10 points on moraec are really not much. This is 5 old points. Calm down.

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from DarkSky: “I am surprised by all the negativity honestly. EVERY subforum complains, that "their" strongest entries get nerfed. Well duh, that's the point of making the books better balanced internally. Just head over to any other subforum and everybody will pick the nerfs to the best five entries and claim they overshadow all the buffs. Our book had 43 point buffs and only 15 point nerfs and reading this thread you get the feeling DE got axed hard, because initial 15 Legionnaires got 5…

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    @DanT So, to be clear, your argument is this: "I (noir) in my infinite wisdom think this is wrong". "The problem with data is that it is just data". your argument is that you would not take them would. How can this be a fact? And how does it speak for all DE players? It may be possible that this is too much but how can you know already now, 1 day after the update? I await your concrete proposal to the RTdetailing an alternative method of points updates smile.png something like this?

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    This is not a tone i care to discuss in dan. This is spiteful. i don’t see where this is necessary having various good chats with you in mind.

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from DanT: “Quote from noir: “@DanT I think what crafty means is that some entries get taken often even though they are not the most competitive. This is the Problem with data, they can not take that into account. Thus definitely could be the case with DR with xbows. As long as they’re not ridiculously overpriced. I mean most of us know it’d be sensible to take them without xbows pre 2.1. still the data Must have shown the xbows are taken extremely often. But the wide community is not a to…

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    @DanT I think what crafty means is that some entries get taken often even though they are not the most competitive. This is the Problem with data, they can not take that into account. Thus definitely could be the case with DR with xbows. As long as they’re not ridiculously overpriced. I mean most of us know it’d be sensible to take them without xbows pre 2.1. still the data Must have shown the xbows are taken extremely often. But the wide community is not a top player. I don’t think he means tha…

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from SmithF: “Guys, take a deep breath ... it’s really going to be alright. The amount of options available is huge and even a 90 or 100 point increase to a list is actually a 2% change —> largely irrelevant. What’s more the change to divination helps the monsters immensely, as do the nerfs to the VS netlist. I believe all of the changes were warranted, I was starting to believe that the oracles all come with a dragon and the familiar as base equipment. A bit more variety is a good thing, …

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    noir - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from duxbuse: “Quote from Lord Drakon: “Hello guys, not sure if you also found this increcible point discount on units of 10 Dark Raiders. While small RXB units have increased with 15 points, you can now actually bring 30 Dark Raiders in your core and still have 30 points spare 6 x 5 Dark Raiders with RXB = 1290 3 x 10 Dark Raiders with RXB = 1095 That's a 195p discount! Woah. ” now if only characters could join that unit ” they can, with cadaron and light troop update.