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  • Ok, before we drift away, please come back to the topic about warcry principles.

  • 2.1 OnG Chat

    arwaker - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    I think they are especially useful to block out opponent units with rather few high-S attacks like LionGuard, DreadJudges etc...On the other hand they melt down too fast when fighting core spearman. So I think Grotlings can be very good, when you have Gargabtulas and Giants which you want to protect from those high-S units.

  • Quote from Shako: “B) Having 3 different Orc Warcrys and 3 different Goblin Warcrys, heck no thanks. ” Hm, could you explain this dislike a bit more, because that is exactly what I really would like to have.

  • Quote from Fleshbeast: “Don’t the Standard and Musician also push a character back a row if you want? ” I think that rule was removed in 1.3 or something.

  • VS Brainstorming for LAB

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    I can imagine that. Those are specifically trained Hulks with special equipment. They are like harnessed and can be used as living shield or living battle ram.

  • Quote from Zyv: “@Lich King how are you going to place your assassin in the second rank? Besides that: I don't know, but if there is an enemy unit that wants to fight, I do not see anyhting on your side that might be capable of taking that fight and somehow win ” Wtf, you must be a wdg spy. We don't fight those who want to fight. We fight those who DON'T want to fight! If there's someone seeking trouble, just feed the slaves to him. If that's not enough, just take more slaves.

  • VS Brainstorming for LAB

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    I want Hulks inside R@A units! Like those SA Caimans.

  • Not sure, why spears are auto pick then. As long as the price is reasonable, I think all equipment options could be competitive. Imho S4 and AP0 makes sense for core Orcs. But I fear discussing Orc design principles is not very helpful as long as the planned background is not public. Well I think we have discussed Unruliness enough now. There are basically two factions of opinion: For some people it is enough to visualize Unrulyness with a low basic DIS value (combined with a special rule to mak…

  • Official O&G Background

    arwaker - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    King Orcthur, wielding Orxalibur, drawn out of the Troll 17f984ef6dc29fa2e5425acc6b2398ee.jpg

  • Official O&G Background

    arwaker - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    Youre right, thats sad. I really would like to see more and more background asap. But I fear that the Bakgorund teams are bound with the LAB books of ID and DE right now, and there is not so much work on the others. Well, what we COULD do, is make suggestions, write good articles, short stories. We could post them in a dedicated thread and hope that will be some kind of inspiration for the team when the time comes.

  • I think we don't even have to do such complex approach. Well, it is not complex, it is rather simple. But we could make it even more simple. Orcs and Goblins having DIS6 shows their Unruliness. +2 Panic and Break for Orcs shows their bravery. Maybe Goblins +1 for Rally. Rule end.

  • Quote from Kolrhil -war: “Quote from arwaker: “Quote from Kolrhil -war: “So mage adept costs 225 and MOCT 290 (not bsb ,never saw it) + 50 (BSB) 340... Would you still use MOCT BSB if it was more expensive ? ” Commander BSB + Adept = 415MoCT Commander BSB = 340 I would still play MoCT even if it would cost more than now, yes. ” Too expensive.I think that for 310 pts you've got a bsb WA [lexicon]vampire courtier[/lexic⁹on]... They asked three things that have to cost more but it doesn't mean it's…

  • Quote from Kolrhil -war: “So mage adept costs 225 and MOCT 290 (not bsb ,never saw it) + 50 (BSB) 340... Would you still use MOCT BSB if it was more expensive ? ” Commander BSB + Adept = 415 MoCT Commander BSB = 340 I would still play MoCT even if it would cost more than now, yes.

  • Quote from Furion: “What is the allure of MoCT?Vanilla BSB comes at 350. Prince has access to 2 more spells which are not really needed for 180 pts - it's better to add 40 pts and just take an adept mage with pyromancy / cosmology. 40 pts is less than a cost of a channel, so it can't be that bad. ” Mage Adept is 225, MoCT for a Commander is 150.

  • Quote from Furion: “The External Experts (which I am a part of) have received another questionare recently. Among many questions, the 2 most intresting to me were: 1. Propose up to 3 positions in HBE that should go down in cost (and why) 2. Propose up to 3 positions in HBE that should go up in cost (and why) Before you all start spitting fire about nerfs to lowest tier army - what would you genuinely put as answers to those questions? Looking forward for your thoughts. Maybe someone will put out…

  • Nah, it's not the values. I think it targets the wrong situations. I don't feel like Orcs should get a bonus on rally. When they run, they run. They should rather get a bonus for not run (panic and break). And why should Goblins get a bonus for not pursuit?

  • Quote from Wesser: “How would something like this sound? "Get back in there" Unit have -1DI when take tests to restrain pursuit Unit have +1DI to rally if above 25% starting size ” tbh to me it sounds complicated for a limited and not accurate enough effect.

  • Goblin Cunningness not topic at the moment. We had his before, and might come back to it later on. Right now it is Unrulyness and whether/how to have it on the battlefield via special rules or stats. The main question is right now, whether low DIS is enough or we want some kind of additional special rule.

  • Yeah, that would have been my next topic AFTER Unruly

  • There is some kind of order for things, ranging from very general basic thing (chatacter) towards very specific builds (character with specific magic weapon). The character can be used in many ways, therefore it is more important to have it priced correctly first. After that, the optional magic weapon must be designed and priced to be an option. Prince must cost correctly first. Only then Sliver/mount/magic armor etc can be priced accordingly. It is important to think in the right order.