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  • Homebrew Sylvan Elves

    CariadocThorne - - New army books

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    Quote from Calisson: “Quote from CariadocThorne: “Version 1.1 ” Misleading.Naming should reflect that you're up to date with 2nd edition of the rules. ” Good point, should probably be 2.1.1 as it's based on 2.1. Edit: uploaded new version, changed version number to 2.1.1

  • For anyone interested, my homebrew is now in the homebrew section HERE.

  • Homebrew Sylvan Elves

    CariadocThorne - - New army books

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    Hi everyone, this is a homebrew version of Sylvan Elves which have been thinking about and working on for a while now. While I have made some substantial changes, I have stopped short of things like removing lightning reflexes, largely because I believe that the core rules of the game need to change somewhat before that it is practical to remove LR without having to replace it with some other band-aid rule. My aim here is not to produce a fully functioning book to act as a FAB, but more to show …

  • Quote from Aenarion43: “What would your opinion be on the suggestion I provided: 1) Standard Mage and/or Asfad: your usual spellcaster. Bunkered, providing support from backline. 2) OotFH On Dragon/Young Dragon (no on foot option, move Alchemy to standard mage): Bombardier that also wants to go "So then I started blastin'" (can either boost pyromancy or get a unique spell or SOMETHING) 3) MoCT providing the aggressive "Fighter/Mage" hybrid 4) Wizard Conclave that provides buff support to the lin…

  • Ok, perhaps it would be better to say that "the back" is 6" further back with Asfad, which is a big difference on 18" range normally. And yes, it's 6" further back OR support with the bubble, not both at once. That's still more than any of the SE choices do. I still want to know how people think the TFA or Dryad change things compared to a druid, aside from access to divination. I've been working on a homebrew SE book, and in it, I've actually removed the TFA entirely, and removed the wizard opt…

  • Quote from Aenarion43: “@CariadocThorne When did any of us argue on POWER LEVEL? We're talking about playstyle options here. Asfad doesn't change what you do with the mage (Bunker him in the backline or stick him on a Dragon). It changes simply how far you are allowed to cast from. This is still a big upgrade! However, you are still doing the exact same thing with the mage. In the same vein, an OotFH does the exact same thing as a Master on a Dragon if you mount him. You are playing him the same…

  • And you think something like a Treefather makes more difference? Giving my Elf Druidism master an eagle mount makes more difference to how the magic phase plays than swapping him for a Treefather Ancient Druidism Master. The Treefather just means he doesn't need a bunker (but costs more than the elf + a bunker), but he becomes vulnerable to cowboys and cannons, compared to the basic elf druid. What difference do you think a Treefather or a Dryad makes compared to an Elf as a caster chassis? And …

  • Are we really trying to say that the extra range from Asfad or casting spells in combat from OotFH don't make a difference to the magic phase? Sure, the chassis does make a difference, but in reality, all it changes is how you protect the mage. For example, Dryads are still too fragile to run around outside units, and they only have one unit they can bunker in, while Treefather Ancients have relatively short range spells, but they are slow and need to be kept hidden from cannons and cowboys. Don…

  • Quote from AlexCat: “@CariadocThorne I agree with you that HbE have no less variance in paths available. 4 full paths + assortment of #1 spells. But the chassis for these paths are limited in HbE, that's what people are trying to tell you. You have 4 different units to provide magic. We have only 2. We want a diversity, not having to buy magic only from characters. Hooray for the Conclave Phoenix! And I fully expect HbE to be more versalite and powerful magic wise than SE. Do you not agree? ” It…

  • Quote from cptcosmic: “Quote from CariadocThorne: “With all due respect, you are literally so spoilt for choice that you've lost sight of just how good your choices already are. ” keep in mind, otofh is a paywall to access pyro and alchemy. vanilla mage alone doesnt cut either if you compare him to some other books, there is reason why you mostly see asfad divi mage and a motct in the backline holding the army together. even then, its only two models with different flavor ” Compared to some armi…

  • Quote from IntrigueAtCourt: “Choice is overrated. I'd take 1 good option over 10 sub-optimal ones any day. ” Please tell me you aren't calling any part of HE magic "suboptimal".

  • I can understand Asfad not feeling terribly different from vanilla mage, but OotFH? The choice between vanilla mage and OotFH alone is a bigger difference in how your magic phase plays than all the SE choices together. With all due respect, you are literally so spoilt for choice that you've lost sight of just how good your choices already are. What's the difference between a dryad and a treefather ancient? Access to wizard master, durability and some combat power. You get more than that from sti…

  • Quote from Kopistar: “Quote from CariadocThorne: “Quote from Teowulff: “Quote from jaith1: “I am also against Wconclave units, but it is actually a half-reasonable request. ” What's the alternative? The reason behind mentioning Conclaves is the lack of magical options in the HbE army book. If it weren't for the MoCT, If you want to extend your spells the only option would be another adept/master mage. For an army that historically scores pretty high on magic stuff that's quite poor, option wise.…

  • Quote from Teowulff: “Quote from jaith1: “I am also against Wconclave units, but it is actually a half-reasonable request. ” What's the alternative? The reason behind mentioning Conclaves is the lack of magical options in the HbE army book. If it weren't for the MoCT, If you want to extend your spells the only option would be another adept/master mage. For an army that historically scores pretty high on magic stuff that's quite poor, option wise. Especially since the brothers and sisters from DE…

  • Quote from Tarf: “After further test, Forest Guard Death Star is still way to weak ” Should FG really be a Death star though anyway? 23 or 27 with a hunter's honour chieftain are a really solid blocking unit, but SE aren't really designed for death stars.

  • Quote from AlexCat: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “"It's not ready" implies that one day it will be, and it simply is not the plan to release a "full" gods-eye-overview of the setting. Also, the bits that ain't been written ain't the bits annoying people. It's the bits that have been written that make people "sorry, no, that won't work". ” If it is indeed the strategy chosen by the project thoughtfully - I would say it is one of the worst decisions possible. IMHO nothing would help to raise the peop…

  • Quote from matrim: “Sloop is bad. QG are good but susceptible to the same things that SE elite archers suffer from without the benefits of skirmish light troops. So they are a bit of a liability at that cost. SGR are great against squishy elves with 48" range. So you may be suffering from a bias. (don't get me wrong, we have resident dork players playing rune crafted OG always. Which makes belive OG are an abomination and should be removed from the game) ” If I'm suffering a bias, it is more lik…

  • Just to qualify my previous comment, I think the sliver should go up by the same amount the prince goes down. Spear prince is about the right price, but cheaper prince would make other builds compete. Quote from matrim: “Anyway gist is SGR are not auto include because they are super duper WM. (they're good) the issue is the test of the book. ” This is why I was unsure about this. SGr too good or QG and sloop bad? Not sure which is true or if a bit of both. Playing mostly SE, SGR looks really goo…

  • @Furion I play against HE more than with them, so take my answers in that context. Price up - Sliver, still to much of an auto include. - MoCT, at least for commanders. BSB and adept in one is too good for this price, especially when it's also a better mage than most armies adepts. Too much auto include. - Maybe SGR. Again, too much auto include, simply better than alternatives. This could be due to overcosting Sloop and QG though, so I'm not sure about this. Price down - Prince. Combined with s…

  • Quote from jaith1: “Your suggestion actually offers fewer possibilities for Prince/Commander builds than mine. Just adding +1A will result in pw Hhear being the "Diet Coke version of Sliver". In addition, if you read my suggestion fully, then you would realize Elu + MotCT wouldn't be possible. ” That makes no sense. A model with more attacks gains more from a weapon like GW with divine inscription or supernatural dexterity, and less from a weapon like HH with more attacks at lower S. Using anoth…