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  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Quote from saldiven: “Quote from fjugin: “That said, I don't subscribe to the idea that an underused unit must be made more elite (and neither does rest of rules team). There is absolutely no reason to draw the conclusion that underused units should become cheaper. Their eliteness is completely irrelevant to their power level. Make a unit 5% less elite and drop points with 50%,, and the unit will have become more effective/usable. ” Quote from fjugin: “This is willingness to encourage more big d…

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    @AlexCat Not sure me trying to explain the internal process regarding eliteness creep and how pricing is done will lead to anything constructive. It seems to that you mostly just want to say "I think courtesan and eidolons should be more elite". That's fine, message received.

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Quote from AlexCat: “Thanks for the answers, @fjugin much appreciated. I understand the reasoning, now I must ask probably the most important (for me at least) question about your suggestions: inter quality check. Quote from fjugin: “During the update process RT was concerned about adding extra range while also keeping accurate. DL isn't supposed to be able to play avoidance shooting. Being able to shoot at full power at 24" range seems to be too much avoidance to RT. Their shooting is quite goo…

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Quote from AlexCat: “1. Whose idea was to swap Accurate for extra range on Eidolons? RT or Design Team? If RT was involved, what was their reasoning? ” During the update process RT was concerned about adding extra range while also keeping accurate. DL isn't supposed to be able to play avoidance shooting. Being able to shoot at full power at 24" range seems to be too much avoidance to RT. Their shooting is quite good counter to some armies/units, the opponent needs ways to counter-play. Thus we s…

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    None of those are questions.

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Quote from Jal: “(1) Is there a reason Blazing Glories can't be treated as Champions? I understand the Pride aspect makes this a little odd, but from a gameplay perspective makes them significantly better. They can't be challenge blocked and can take part in swirling melee. (2) Completely understand the weakness to magic aspect of the army. Is there a reason a couple of the sensible choice GDs can't start with Armor 1? It means Chitinous Scales actually makes a big difference for them. The thing…

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Quote from AlexCat: “Quote from fjugin: “Are we talking about the one just released or as in the next to come? ” Umm, I thought, this beta period was the last for DL to try and change the designs. At the end of this period is the Golden Update. Was I wrong? ” I think there will be one final update before gold Quote from rolan: “Quote from fjugin: “But generally, community reporting what problems they see is always useful. Much more useful than ideas for solution. Because if the route cause probl…

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Are we talking about the one just released or as in the next to come? If the latter, we have not yet decided. Not even started looking at it yet. Probably won't for a few weeks as there are other more pressing matters to do first. But generally, community reporting what problems they see is always useful. Much more useful than ideas for solution. Because if the route cause problem is known, a solution can be found that works with the intended scope of the update.

  • DL 2.3. Question to RT

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Quote from AlexCat: “What are the conditions for design changes during beta test? ” Not easy to give an exact answer to this. It depends heavily on how early in the beta phase we are. The closer we are to final release, the fewer and smaller/safer changes we want to do. Because large changes risk screwing over lots of things and delay final gold release. Beyond regulating the size and amount of design changes based on how far we are from (planned) gold release, we also usually have a set of over…

  • DL 2.3 Feedback thread

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    A few. Limited scope

  • DL 2.3 Feedback thread

    fjugin - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    We haven't really talked about this much, so this is just my personal best guess for how internal talks will go. In the immediate future (~1-3 weeks) we will release a small update to prices, together with the same think for all other books. Then a some months later (christmans?) probably last real update of DL book which moves it into gold status. After this only price updates.

  • New version of the map pack the-ninth-age.com/community/fi…ex.php?file/841-map-pack/ No design changes on maps, just better layout

  • I was planning on waiting until after beta period. Too many frequent updates right now Same with the zip page

  • Quote from Furion: “Can I get some preferably solid guidelines as to: 1. When is the deadline for the freeze? When is the final patch expected to hit? 2. What can I do to help RT directly with balancing HE? @'blondebeer' @thedoctor @Just_Flo @fjugin @Henrypmiller @Aenarion43 @Vespacian Thanks. ” 1. Nothing decided, but in maybe 3-5 weeks 2. Since you are part of external experts, you will get a message with clear instructions soon, hopefully tomorrow already .

  • Rules explained in figures updated the-ninth-age.com/community/fi…398af8988a7939b77817afb74

  • Quote from StoffenDK: “Quote from fjugin: “Balancing is handled by rules team now ” And what’s the current method? (Now that you’re in the thread anyway ) ” Without going into too much details, something like this; 1. Collect data from multiple sources, on both external and internal balance. Primary data sources are surveys (to both open community and a group of top tournament players) and tournament data. 2. From data on external balance; establish a tier list (UD is place 1 or 2 in all data se…

  • Balancing is handled by rules team now

  • Yup. Surveys are only for pricing.

  • Quote from Peacemaker: “The survey looks nice but with the focus being solely on internal balance, it just feels like a questionnaire asking everyone what they want to have a points increase/decrease. Because you can have a bunch of items be really good internally but they are "meh" externally. Like alot of things are good but they are already at their max points. Going any higher can wreak the build they are used in. ” We have ways to establish external balance as well. Eg tournament results an…

  • Quote from Kapten Kluns: “@fjugin are these type of "analysis" useful to bring up? ” The primary way in which rules team* gather feedback is through the surveys. the-ninth-age.com/community/ne…-internal-balance-survey/ These should be the first thing everyone fills in. More in depth analysis can be useful, but of course risks being overwhelming if everyone does them. *in dl book, rules team are primarily responsible for pricing. Redesigns are done by the dl task team.