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  • Well done Shannon, very impressive results! Now let me go back and find all of the posts of our fellow sylvan elf players in this forum claiming that "only Tree lists can work" or that "Bladedancers are crap" and so on. Quote from Snarkhunter: “If you're thinking of trying something similar, the advice I would give is to stick with it. It took me at least 15 games before I started feeling comfortable with the list. I'm at about 30 games now, and still discovering new tricks to implement. So ther…

  • 2.0 BH Beta Discussion Thread

    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    One important advantage of single chariots is that they can occupy a big portion of a unit's frontage, while your heavy hitters clip a corner. It usually makes up for the lost HP thanks to the impact hits, and when/if it dies it leaves your units in good positions against the enemy, where only one or two models can strike them. I watched part of the game vs Amit's daemon (game 4 on PTG's channel), and saw him pull off game-winning long charges. Unfamiliarity with the Beasts might have played a r…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Quote from PTG-Lucky-Sixes: “Hey guys, just went to a 66 man event in UK which was won by the only beast herds member at the event! Good times! His list: 635 - Beast Lord, General, Beast Axe, HeavyArmour, Hunting Call, Razortusk Chariot, Shield,Death Cheater, Fatal Folly, Seed of the DarkForest 485 - Beast Chieftain, BSB, Beast Axe, GreaterTotem Bearer, Heavy Armour, Raiding Chariot,Shield, Aether Icon, Basalt Infusion, Dusk Forged 595 - Soothsayer, Light Armour, Raiding Chariot,Shamanism, Wizar…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Two magical beasts flutter, tears of dark rain fall, spring's cherry blossoms.

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Quote from arnadil: “ So how about we focus on more constructive topics like: - How do you use Jabberwocks effectively? I love them and I have two beautiful models, but I find it hard to bring their aura into play: The panic checks that we can guarantee are terror checks, but they happen before you can move the Jabber close enough. We do not have a good shooting and magic missiles, so there is not much panic checks caused by ranged attacks (except for the Jabbers own breath attacks). The only th…

  • 2.0 BH Beta Discussion Thread

    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    @All: So here's what we're going to do. Lets make March (not February, since list submissions are already a done deal for many tourneys, and I still need to paint a Jabberwock or two) the "bring your Jabberwock to work" month. I refuse to accept that a 300-point flying terror-causer with a Breath Weapon is a bad choice. The rules of the challenge are simple: Write any list you like, as long as it contains at least one Jabberwock. You get bonus points if you write a list with two of them. Bring t…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Quote from youngseward: “I think @Herminard tossed up the idea of Drunk outside of IP and Primal inside IP many moons ago. To me that would work far better ” That's so good that it made me smile. Now that's an unruly horde for you!

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    To me there's a design issue with beasts, but you won't be happy to hear it. Primal Fury is a rule that works great for the infantry part (or the "standard size" model part) of our list. It gives a nice buff without being broken, and kind of helps offset the low agility problem that beasts have. I believe that it was not designed for use with Minotaurs and Gortachs. And that's the one point where @clorens is right in his criticism: Battle Focus + reliable rerolls to hit seems to be a HUGE issue …

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Interesting, so 3 units that are immune to panic (chariots w/shamanism Soothsayer, minos, Discipline Longhorns+general) and then the rest ambushes? In my experience units of 20-ish longhorns with Blooded Horn support can work wonders. At that size they are competitively priced and don't lose you the game if they die.

  • 2.0 BH Beta Discussion Thread

    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Quote from DanT: “This is my latest version of Caal's list. Shepherd bsb 310 Avatar-entangling vines 670 Tree shepherd master-druidism, heirloom 775 9 heath hunters 341 10 heath hunters 375 16 archers-musician 413 Treefather 435 5 thicket beasts-champ 500 5 thicket beasts 480 eagle 100 eagle 100 4499 I figured that the 3 trees could stand in for the chariot lord and gortachs, and I replaced the minotaurs with thicket beasts, so it hasn't really changed. The only real difference is that there are…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Quote from clorens: “beastlord in chariot bsb master druidism wildhorns ambuhs mongrels minos chaff centaurs gortachs Isn't this the caal list? ” You literally enumerated half of the choices of the Beast Herds book. Centaurs as a small chaff unit with paired weapons do not perform the same role as centaurs as a big fighting block. Otherwise I could claim that fighting Wildhorn blocks are well represented because Caal's list has 2 of them. You can't have it both ways. I will venture once more and…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Quote from clorens: “I do not see variety any single variations of the typical list ” You have to be kidding me, @clorens Let me break down the lists for you: - Janek: Beastlord on foot with Wildhorn Brick, Druidism/Shamanism support,Shock troops: Chariot block, Minotaur block and Centaurs with Lances - Podwys: a true variant of the list that you love so much. I'll give you that. @Podwys zero points for originality mate. - Konstantin: Beastlord on chariot + Drudism backup, check. Core setup simi…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    Lists for the Cracow team tournament went up this morning. (3-man teams, 4500 pts) Quote from Janek: “Janek "Janek" Gingowski Beast Heards Beast Lord, General, Obsidian Rock, Aaghors Affliction, Blessed Inscription, Hunting Call, Great Weapon 415 Beast Chieftain, BSB, Destiny Call, Shield, Greater Totem Bearer 325 Soothsayer, Wizard Master, Druidism 385 Soothsayer, Wizard Adept, Shamanism, Ancestral Carvings, Light Armour, Essence of Mithrill 340 3 Raiding Chariot 320 34 Wildhorn Heard, FCG, Leg…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    We're rooting for you, @Ironrock! With such a list, you can't be bleat!

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    I had stopped following this thread because of the repetitive nature of the posts, quite often by the same posters. We've established that in Spain (and the rest of the civilized world, for that matter!) only one list gets played, that everything else is inferior to the ONE list, that Beastlords on chariots, Gortachs and Shield Minotaurs are the best thing since sliced bread. We've also noted that it was very unfair that the afore-mentioned choices were "nerfed to oblivion" by 10-20 point price …

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    So let me guess what the current Spanish meta looks like: - Empire of Sonnstahl: big block of Imperial Guard, big block of Halberds/spears, 3x Light infantry, Steam Tank, Cannon + characters and chaff (Divination magic) - Dwarven Holds: Two variants: Full Vanguard with Double/Triple Seeker block, Full Shooting MSU (Engineer general, double Organ Guns, small warrior/Longbeard darts, as many Steam Copters as you can legally field) - Kingdom of Equitaine: Druidism Master, Duke on Pegasus with Pegas…

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    SmithF - - Beast Herds (BH)

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    I just listened to the kiwi podcast Whispers of the Veil (link: cltlb7.podbean.com/?fbclid=IwA…UUeZgUqQotWQB3iaIFLEfyrlM) The Beast Herd list of the NZ masters looks like this: Quote from McCrae: “ Beast Herds Beast Lord, GENERAL, Great Weapon (Blessed Inscriptions), Destiny’s Call 350 Beast Chieftain, BSB, Greater Totem Bearer, Great Weapon, Essence of Mithril 305 Soothsayer, Wizard Master, Evocation, Raiding Chariot, Light Armour, Basalt Infusion, Potion of Strength 455 23 Wildhorn Herd, Full …

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    I think it's more of an issue of the Spanish tournament scene rather than anything else: I've noticed that there's a lot of copying of successful/netlists for all armies. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think it's the only way to go. On the contrary, the more people play the same and the same, the more it entrenches them even deeper into their conviction. It is to be expected that when a list wins a tournament (or three), some players will attempt to copy it. But over time this copy…

  • Heroe’s hearth

    SmithF - - Rules Questions & Answers

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    Hey! No, since the strength and AP is not *SET* to 5 and 3 respectively. So a Prince with Sylvan Blades and Hero's Heart normally has S5 AP3. If perception of strength is cast on him, he'll become s5 AP4 normally, so this would take precedence over Hero's heart. But he won't get an "extra" point of strength.

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    Quote from moloch: “other matter. What is the use of hereditary? ” I take it in very special occasions. It can be game-changing against certain armies with good leadership but susceptibility to fear (for that -2 to the break check). In essence, if you can rely on your unit to win combat, it helps break stubborn and steadfast units. As a plus, a failed fear save - while not something to be relied upon - brings a nice boost to the survivability of the units. The current problem with the applicatio…