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  • Quote from jaith1: “Quote from Adam: “You skipped the part with data on how MoCT with Elu is not the most popular commander build. But nice try. ” I actually never claimed that in the first place? I can imagine other players are similar to me and don't like playing cheesy stuff like MotCT+Elu but maybe other people have a nose for it and therefore defend it. ” I must say that Elu + MoCT is far apart from being cheesy. If it was, you would see NO top tournament lists without it. He simply covers …

  • Quote from Giladis: “Quote from ArchangelusM: “After the rework? Hell no. ” Your opinion. Bow of Elu is here to stay, mechanics can change but the concept of an Elein bow will remain. ” You misunderstood me. Bow of Elu or somesuch magical thingie is a big yes for me. Bow of Elu on MoCT is something that I would rather skip than not and design MoCT in a way that it can offer enough without it that you will not even wish to put the Bow on him.

  • Quote from Squee: “In fairness, this time round people are mostly salty about the Bow of Elu. They're salty about it because they see it as having no opportunity cost. In reality, it competes with the becalming banner. Whether 18 shots at S5 ap3 is better than +2 magic dice / -2 magic dice for the opponent over the course of a game is subject to discussion, but most people clearly favour the former. ” People are saty at BoE on MoCT. Which continues on the "burn the hereti-errrr, MoCT!" That comb…

  • And the discussion came full circle. MoCT BSB is taken a lot -> boooo, he is broken -> no he is not, other options are crap -> not true, you have this and that -> true, but of the things we can have, two options are viable (QC for QTF for shooty init, QC on Dragon for list build option) -> but no other book can have what you have with it -> but other books have this and that options -> but those options are crap, yours are better when compared to some of ours -> but our options are crap as well …

  • Why do you always start a kickstarter campaign when I have no money to spare on your beyond awesome figures?!?!? At least wait for me to win euro jack pot...xD

  • Quote from AlexCat: “Quote: “than it is to lead to more diversity in BSB options in different HE lists. ” You mean QC BSB and more gunline lists? ” That is the current state of the affairs, that would only worsen by pricing the MoCT into the "I want him but he is soooooo expensive" range. Without the full LAB trearment of the book, the only move that makes sense is what I wrote in my first response to @arwaker and that is further drop in the price of the base commander chassis and further price …

  • Quote from arwaker: “Quote from ArchangelusM: “Bla ” Bla But let us not again discuss this in full depth. ” Why not? It is a crucial part of the MoCT discussion which you yourself claim should take place again. As you see it, the only way to break the balance is to imcrease the MoCT price to such levels that people have to REALLY think about whether he is worth it or not, without taking into consideration that such a path, without price drops on other commander level options, is more likely to l…

  • Quote from arwaker: “Yeah, makes no sense to open up that very discussion again and again. We have to wait till end of year for points change option, and longer for LAB. Then more statistics will be availible, because until now those few tournaments allow only an indication. For points "adjustment only", a good fix is probably not possible, because MoCT without BSB should not be priced into oblivion. Maybe, if possible, increasing BSB price for MoCT only could be a solution, but not sure if that…

  • Quote from elendor_f: “Technically speaking, any army can have a Wizard BSB through the Crown of the Wizard King. It eats part of the item allowance (unlike the MoCT honour) and only gives you 1 spell so it's not on the level of an Adept, but it's possible. @AlexCat I'll let @arwaker go more into detail, but I believe the core of his argument is that a Wizard BSB is so efficient that pushes out other BSB options, hence it creates an internal imbalance. ” Which is true up to a point. If there wer…

  • @Furion I think this thread might interest you!

  • @CariadocThorne Do not forget that HE alone among the elven races have no access to apprentice mages. Design wise and tied to background Asfad scholar is Tier 3 mage level in HE book. Also, Wconclaves give options for very different playstyles (it is possible to have 4 spell magic phase without a single point spent in magic in characters) in regards to regular mages. So, depending how you look, HE have reduced magic options when comparing the other books, not the other way arround. Some access t…

  • Quote from Kimara_Online: “There are things that point decreases cant fix, hbe main problems are: No MCav No wizard conclave No high res character, with out gigantic aka puny save No MInf ” Those are NOT main HE problems. Wizard conclave is something that we lack, but more on design level. MCav and MInf are also design directoon that is unlikely to change an it is not a problem from balance standpoint. Soft chars is an issue but one that can be solved through different design avenues.

  • [list][*] [/list]Quote from Wesser: “Quote from Adam: “Quote from Vanagrand: “We just want to be the infantery elf army we used to be. ” I do not think that there was a point in time in the last 20 or so years where HBE were infantry army. In 6th certainly no, 7th I'm not sure since I had a break from playing, 8th peak list was afair helm bus with 2 S7 blokes and 2 frosties. ” What was wrong with HBE infantry in 6th apart from Empire Mortars? It was the of the murder elves ” In 6th? Nothing besi…

  • Quote from Zyonn: “@Blonde Beer I really appreciate your gesture as it seems to me quite honest and understanding. That - for me - is all I am asking for. I am hoping that the next update will fix some of the issues regarding HBE. I am aware of the fact that not everything will be perfect in the first place but I am sure that you will be doing your best to provide the support the army needs. @Emgies I am not quite sure if you misunderstood my previous posting. I am not judging anyone personally …

  • Navigators banner was introduced to test out that very effect for our core troops. But then we allowed it to elites and it watered down the intended use. But ever since it was said that HE should be the defensive army, of the three elven factioms, such an effect is what I would personally envisiom for our core troops.

  • Quote from Didi: “HBE or nothing. I will sink with the rest of you ” No sinking, just swim and enjoy as much as you can.

  • Quote from jaith1: “The best solution is to nerf @Furion as a player rather than the hbe entries (so everyone else doesn't suffer). This can take form in many ways, including increased point costs for all entries specifically for him, and he must play matches while nailed to a crucifix, so his opponents can move his units for him after loosely interpreting his verbal requests. ” You, my dear sir, have won the internet tonight!

  • Take a look at point hikes of the top dogs on top lists (ETC lists for example). SE, as low tier, got a consistent 70+ points drop on their ETC lists.

  • Quote from AlexCat: “Quote from Giladis: “Of course it is! HE are the BE. ” Shut up! We're Hellenes, everyone knows that! Not some posh whiskies beareres (damn this politecorrectness, I had so much more epithets to add). ” But but but... I LOVE whiskey!

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