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  • Quote from youngseward: “@Herminard I think Lee’s army (list in the first post) will absolutely tickle your beard. Even more so to hear the results he got! ” Love it. I would perhaps have gone for bolters myself. Else - love - it.

  • Quote from Lee_Hall: “@youngseward Here's one on the board and another on the table, game 1 against HBE with their unit name tags on the back, displaying their clan name, commander's name, weapons, and number of beards. ” Army!!!

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    Quote from DanT: “Quote from Herminard: “MSU/MMU combat builds of ID ” How does double blunderbuss block and double immortal block (and zero war machines or blasty banner) fit into this? ;-)(My current ID build has 88 rank and file infantry dwarfs). ” To this? It might. I need to see it first. My initial statement with ID was concerning those rank and file element of ID that do not get much from the wildly redundant access to Alchemical Fire. Such as the big Taurs, or the Orc Slaves. Same thing …

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    Quote from Adam: “Quote from Herminard: “List suffers from dead mans land syndrome. Needs chaff/magic/shooting to create opportunities. ” So you are expecting all infantry armies to perform well? If so then we differ fundamentally at what we believe to look like an army. Imho army should be composed of both mainline elements (this most likely should be infantry) as well as some flankers and some ranged support. That is also how most of the armies through history operated. ” Some flankers and som…

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    Quote from Chronocide: “Quote from Feaynnewedd: “Mediumsized Deamon infantry units are pretty present in my local meta. ” Daemons don't have any Infantry. It's like 90% beasts. Are beasts the same as infantry for the purposes of this discussion? What about Large Infantry? This thread seems focused on Standard Size models, but Infantry isn't just standard. ” I think the real distinction is between rank and file vs the more mobile elements - like light troops / light cav / single models / flyers. …

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    Found his thread. Thx! Edit: the-ninth-age.com/community/in…/44115-4500-wardens-army/ Interesting read. Takeaways; - "Lack of shaff is problem but if u keep army close and wont break your line, should be ok." List _does_ indeed play as a Battle Line. - Battle Reports: (Hidden Content) List plays a counterpush standoff game. - Highlight of Battle Reports; "in consequence i lost my only chaff. rest of the game was standing and magic/shooting. i couldnt go in without chaff he didnt want to charge m…

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    Quote from Adam: “Quote from Herminard: “Id like to see the lists if you have them.If only Fearless was an optional upgrade for Flame Wardens.. ” I found his older list (25.07.2019) but he has used the general blueprint of it for quite a long time and he is ranked as third best HBE player in Poland: High Prince [640pts]: Army General, Master of Canreig Tower, Destiny's Call, Sliver of the Blazing Dawn Mage [465pts]: Asfad Scholar, Divination, Wizard Master 20x Citizen Spears [280pts]: C, M 5x El…

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    Quote from Feaynnewedd: “There was a post about a guy who played with two 15-man FW units (and either won a tournament or placed) and some guy won a tourney with 2 20+ Swordmasters units. Could find the lists, but I get the feeling that the answer will be "these are anecdotes amd not what this thread is about" and so on. I play vs a lot of blocky OnG lists. Mediumsized Deamon infantry units are pretty present in my local meta. Wdg fields Chosen and Warriors in min-medium sizes all the time... ” …

  • So much gold in this thread. I would love to see the Vermin Swarm play a proper swarming style of rank and file grunts I think 3 units of 60 rats feels less like a swarm than 9 units of 20. I urge the LAB to have a look at the magic saturation. Currently there is 1 model access to Witchcraft/Occultism/Thaumaturgy/Divination. Paths matter for builds - spread the paths around. Best of luck&hard work!

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    Quote from Adam: “Quote from theunwantedbeing: “It doesn't really undermine your final point when almost 1/5th of the army is made up of 20-man units, but it's significantly less than the implied 58.6% (3/5th) you appear to be trying to pass off as how much the army is made up of 20-man units. ” Sure because that was not the point I was trying to refute - a lot of people in this topic claimed that infantry only works in min sizes as scorers or as tarpits. The list I posted has none of that. Also…

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    Quote from Adam: “@Herminard moving posts? 20 lions are perfectly medium between 10 and 30 max size. But sure you can go and claim what is pivotal to the list or not - facts are as follows 58% of the points in the list are in infantry. He fields 70+ infantry models and 10 non infantry models - 5 of which are chaff. All his infantry units are between 20-30, he wins a lot. You can dress it up as you want but it doesn't refute the fact that majority of this list is infantry in sizes that a lot of p…

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    Quote from Adam: “Quote from CariadocThorne: “It would do nothing to help smaller units, like 20-25 models though, and those are the ones which don't seem to have a place at the moment. ” Jerzy Furion Brzozowski ID 1072670 - High Prince on Griffon, Dragonforged Armor: Daemon's Bane, Lance: Nova Flare, Diadem of Protection, Glittering Lacquer, Shield 480 - High Prince: Queen's Companion, General, Longbow: Moonlight Arrows, Light Armor: Destiny's Call, Spear: Sliver of the Blazing Dawn 350 - Comma…

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    Quote from DanT: “ For me, 40 halberdiers are a medium unit I do small/medium/heavy combat units roughly split by points cost. I like the existence of the core category for aesthetic, background and other reasons. I just think that combat infantry core units should be no less points efficient than combat units in special. ” 100% agree on all four accounts. Quote from DanT: “ And I don't think MSU infantry is weak at all currently. I recently wrote an EoS list that might cause you some interestin…

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    Quote from Adam: “Quote from CariadocThorne: “@Adam The problem is not infantry in general, both minimum size scorers and big tarpits work. ” You seriously should check lists from any large tournament and you will be surprised. Honestly the reality is that most infantry units come in different sizes ranging from small to large, infantry is a backbone of a lot of lists. ” This isnt the premise as @CariadocThorne portrayed it. Can inf with character support be a balancing and scoring backbone? Cer…

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    Quote from elendor_f: “@Herminard I saw the Dawn of Ages Warlord but, as he is on foot, I imagined (I haven't seen the list in play either, just theorizing here) that he's there to scare/kill some baddies like Monsters and Cowboys. He can charge out of a unit at a key moment, but other than that he needs to stick with the line I think (of course moving between units if necessary). I understand that the presence of a fighting Lord may give the impression of him carrying the infantry more than bei…

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    Quote from DanT: “Quote from Herminard: “Good How would you play an army with 5 units of 18 Saurus and 3 units of 15 Temple Guards? (roughly 1900 points to play with) Or one with 5 units of 20 Wildhorns and 3 of 15 Longhorns (no Ambushers) (roughly 2800 points to play with). Or one with 5 units of 14 Warriors and 3 units of 6 Chosen (no Hellmaw) (roughly 2000 points to play with) I am finding these lists severely difficult to play ” If you paid attention to my threads, you would know that I cons…

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    Quote from elendor_f: “Quote from Herminard: “How would you play an army with 5 units of 18 Saurus and 3 units of 15 Temple Guards? ” @DanT had this SA list whose main goal is to play 3x 15 TG and 2 Thyroscutus (because the conventional wisdom was that Thyros are unplayable). Quote from DanT Double Thyro list: “Cuatl-grasp of the immortal, trained from birth, bsb, relentless, jade staff, evoke? 825 Lord-spear, heavy armour, shield, death cheater, lucky charm, glory of the dawn age 490 15 saurus …

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    Quote from DanT: “Personally, I find MMU less of a handicap now than ever before, and it is basically how I play with most army books. That said, I personally have never before been able to field so many different (infantry) units from so many different books without feeling handicapped. My current ID list has 4 blocks of dwarfs (19-29 models, 2 core and 2 special) with zero war machines. ” Good How would you play an army with 5 units of 18 Saurus and 3 units of 15 Temple Guards? (roughly 1900 p…

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    Quote from Stygian: “ To me it really boils down to Infantry being much less forgiving in deployment and also more difficult to play correctly. These aspects make for a unit that is more prone to mistakes than easy mode single models and flyers. ” Clearly so. A quick gaze at footprint vs pace vs mobility makes this a no contest outside of Warmachines. Quote from Stygian: “ But an infantry block even mmu with support hard counters single models and plenty of cavalry too. ” Im not following you - …

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    Quote from CariadocThorne: “People like @Herminard and @DanT break the meta too. ” If we stick with this statement of yers; However, infantry units of say 15-25 models as actual fighting units, seem to no longer exist in most armies. Then I agree with that. And I think T9A would be a better game if fighting units of 15-25 infantery models were more commonplace. If the embodiment of T9A agrees with fighting units of smallish (10?15?25?) infantery are indeed scarce - or on the other hand that the …