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  • TOE Aguilas

    kaisersose - - TOES España

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    Muy buenas. Lamentablemente Guardia Varega se cae del TOE. Esperamos no generar mucha molestia. Un saludo

  • Since I usually find the O&G book weaker than most I am surprised I have to disagree hard here. The idol has strengths: - Its a T8 solo model. You can choose most of your combats where it will be painfull for the oponent. - It won't flee. Either in panic or from combat. - It has good discipline to work out of the bubble which is very needed in our army. - It is reliable stoping light troops units out of the bubble. Its L8+minimized roll is very reliable. - It has smash'em flat which is a nic…

  • 2.1 OnG Chat

    kaisersose - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    I am going to give my opinion on the book changes. Overall I think we end up higher that we were since the overall nerf has been higher than ours. Magical objects - Tuktek’s Guard and Pan of Protection Pinchin’ =. I have never used them and I find them underpowered. Is there people using it? I would like to see the statistics In general I find our magic items to be few and weak and I still find them few and weak. Orc characters - Orc Warlord: The waaagh now it's free so we should expect a tax so…

  • Quote from Ctuchik: “Quote from yhandros: “I hope this "dis 6 orcs" idea doesn't make it to.the book. ” Why? ” Because leadership is a very important characteristic and right now we are by a huge margin the worst leadership army in the game.

  • 2.1 OnG Chat

    kaisersose - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    Quote from Traumdieb: “Shamans went up because warcry is for free now. ” Shamans were overcosted before. Goblins were the worst and the most expensive among S3 T3 wyzards.

  • Quote from Wesser: “Quote from kaisersose: “Quote from Wesser: “Quote from kaisersose: “Quote from Wesser: “Uhhh my lists go down in the hundreds even if nets still are the same ” Can you post the list? It is hard to believe. ” ListsThese things happen when playing 20 Dashers, Spider riders with throwing weapons and WD Gargantula - plus shavings on Warcry ” Ok the list is fun but if we speak about competitiveness it was and it is a joke. ” So when I won with it I was awesome? Be positive, Think …

  • Quote from Wesser: “Quote from kaisersose: “Quote from Wesser: “Uhhh my lists go down in the hundreds even if nets still are the same ” Can you post the list? It is hard to believe. ” Lists These things happen when playing 20 Dashers, Spider riders with throwing weapons and WD Gargantula - plus shavings on Warcry ” Ok the list is fun but if we speak about competitiveness it was and it is a joke.

  • 2.1 OnG Chat

    kaisersose - - Orcs and Goblins (O&G)

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    The change log is confuse. I think competitive lists in the book went up in points.

  • Quote from Wesser: “Uhhh my lists go down in the hundreds even if nets still are the same ” Can you post the list? It is hard to believe.

  • Everything that was being played has gone up in points. The iron orc cowboy in boar with the omen has been destroyed. The only magic items from out book that were being played have gone up in points meanwhile Tuktek’s Guard or Pan of Protection Pinchin’ that are very weak remain equal. The magic paths have not been improved neither (pyromancy is even worse because of the dual path nerf, thaumaturgy or witchcraft remains unchanged...). I don't know if the waaagh tax removal is enough to compensat…

  • Quote from cyrus: “Yes , I agree with what mentioned above We are classified as mid tier from data analysis and some small point changes will be applied My forecast: UP Omen of apocalypse Greentide Chariot mounts Gnasher herd Wolf chariot Git launcher Skewerer Gargantula DOWN Boar chariot Mounted eadbashers Forest goblin raiders Gnasher dashers Trolls Giant Splatterer as said before some unit playability can not be resolved only with point decrease (i.e trolls, forest raiders,eabashers) ” With t…

  • Quote from cyrus: “I checked it up and I can confirm you that Trolls are the last and only unit in the game which has "stupid" special rule DE and SA raptors lost "stupidity" while ago and WDG Hellmaw did it as well in full army book Trolls are the only together with VC ghasts ( which is strange as well ) no scoring large infantries in the game (excluding light troops/flying large infantries) Adding scoring and removing stupidity do not cost design space but only point cost revision (no need to …

  • Right now trolls are very hard to play. They are not very strong in combat, bubble dependent and not scoring. Too much for beeing an infantry. Removing stupidity will make them a decent support for the price. if stupidity is not removed they have to be much stronger in combat. R5 and Parry? could be the start.

  • There should be a general decrease in the extra model cost of almost every unit. Common and night goblins weapons besides shields are expensive and should come down in price as the hobgoblins did. Aditional common orcs should come down in price (2 points). Common trolls should come down in price big (10 points each) and aditional iron orcs (2 points). I don't see anything broken in the book that should come up in price.

  • Quote from DanT: “I wrote this build during the week Iron orc warboss-shield, willows ward, protection pinchin, omen of apocalypse, war cry, potion of swiftness 520 2+ armour against rubbish things, steals armour/special save against good things. Bucket load of high strength attacks and the option to use the potion and yell "surprise" ” For me it's expensive since it's a foot character that doesn't give anything to the unit. The damage output is good but the surviviability and leadership are med…

  • Most of the things can be adjusted internally and externally by points but not all of them. There are things like the giant with wrecking ball that are tough to play. Also you have to consider external balance. The mages are played because in this edition you can not play without magic but they are expensive and weak externally.

  • Quote from arwaker: “I more like the first with DIS6, because it allows removing any additional unruly rule. dis6 alone is enough to symbolize bad coordination for marching tests, rally, redirect charge, combat refoem etc. ” Right now we are by far the worst army by leadership. Losing the general means most of the time a huge lose and there is no other army suffering this right now. I think it is more than enough. Goblins in my opinion should have more deploy options. Maybe the forest goblins ca…

  • Great work and thanks for the analysis. I think the internal balance is good but the targets to make it very good are clear.

  • This giant is far from being remotely imagine in a list. It does just nothing. I think that it is even better to play with 300 point less in a list. What if it dies more slow? No One cares.

  • Quote from DanT: “Can I just check that you are talking about the same Spain where O&G just significantly outscored VC at the Spanish final teams event? ” Despite me . You should nerf orcs and improve vampires. The best scoring vampire player is an ex OnG player. Just an anecdote.