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  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from Giladis: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Do you really want to live in a world where a) Command options all have a different price depending on the unit that has them b) Command options are so expensive, you skip a musician half the time for units ? ” Yes to both.How is musician a proper option if its value is so much greater than assigned cost? ” Because that way, it's the line between civilized discipline and untamed ferocity. Command shouldn't be optional. Shav…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from Bogi: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Ah, but would the unit cost more to have the option to take a Musician? Because I'd argue that if you take away the option to take a Musician, that's a nerf to a unit (unless it's Light Troops or similar of course). ” I feel units that are identical apart from the option to take musicians should be the same price, as they are exactly the same on the field. ” Your opinion is noted, but irrelevant; the methodology practiced (mus…

  • Age of Single models?

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    Quote from Jomppexx: “Quote from panterq: “Like I said, bigger maximum rank bonus for Infrantry units would make sense to me. Higher static CR would allow to reduce cases where a single model is able to hold/grind a big unit of Infrantry. ” Definitelty an interesting way to buff normal infantry but I don't know... Feels like the change is too big. It's also a huge buff to undead, war platforms and vermin swarm in general. ” Is that a problem? IMO those are units that enormously underperform for …

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    Quote from panterq: “Single models have a good amount of counters though. Ask any WDG players how he feels about facing 18 Jezzails or 2 Dreadmills, backup up by a Cannon or Two and a Vermin Daemon on top of that. I'd risk stating that every army has counters to single models with either shooting, magic or their own single models. What is really affected by that meta are some Infrantry-heavy off-meta builds. If O&G players would field Goblin-based list with no Git Launchers, Mad Gits and Gna…

  • Quote from panterq: “Quote from Wesser: “Eh, you’re right. But in my defence out last battle was the 6th WDG list in a row with 2 Elders (Just flipped through the WDG book and there are at least 6 entries I have never seen used) and as you can tell it got to me how punishing it was to take ordinary str3 infantry ... even in Core. But obviously the shortcomings of common Goblins in todays meta isnt ENTIRELY WDGs fault ” What can you do, once Hellmaw/Chosen was heavily nerfed, Feldraks were the ne…

  • Quote from echoCTRL: “Complexity is the number 1 complaint against the ID book. ” Rly? ID have some clutter (ammunitions), some game-breaking stuff (Bastion) and overly wordy rules (Slaves), but compared to DL where I still need 20+ minutes army presentation for the too many units with too many invisible upgrades

  • Quote from panterq: “Looks like @Wesser is starting a campaign of "Make Goblins Great Again!" ” Eh, you’re right. But in my defence out last battle was the 6th WDG list in a row with 2 Elders (Just flipped through the WDG book and there are at least 6 entries I have never seen used) and as you can tell it got to me how punishing it was to take ordinary str3 infantry ... even in Core. But obviously the shortcomings of common Goblins in todays meta isnt ENTIRELY WDGs fault

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    Quote from rolan: “I absolutely disagree with berti, the movement single models have is absolutely right. It's intuitive, and it fits the way light troops move, and single models can of course move as light troops do as they are the essence of non-formation. ” Then maybe a lot of the monsters in the world should be a lot slower?

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    Quote from DanT: “Presuming that single models are over-represented, then their points will go up, and their prevalence will drop. (And then everyone can moan again that their monsters are rubbish ). Again I'm not after monsters specifically. All armies have a cap on actual monsters, but characters and some of the tougher Chariots (Such as Dark Coaches) and a few other MI choices out there basically belong in the same category. However, I guess there is a slightly separate issue here, which is d…

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    Quote from rolan: “I think the major point here is what are S3 troops supposed to be? Right now they represent the untrained human who was drafted or volunteered but had another job until right before that battle, so those guys usually are physically untrained. That's what WeaponSkill 2 and/or DI6 or lower represents. STR3 represents the typical warrior For other armies, elves are mostly weaker than humans so for them S3 is wide-spread, they excel in weapon prowess. Orks or wildhorns are also S3…

  • Quote from WhammeWhamme: “In T9A, there are no Orc subraces, just stages of the Orc life-cycle. Odds are decent the Iron Orc Warlord is standing next to their kids when they join a unit of Feral Orcs. (And a young Warlord standing with the veterans is just a mark of respect for them - the Warlord is acknowledging their age and experience) (This has been officially revealed/correctly inferred by forum members) ” The ID trying to create better slaves is not part of the ID fluff anymore then I take…

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    Quote from Falco: “Monsters are going to win to infantery Infantery is going to win vs cavalry And cavalry should be able to win monsters Scissors, paper, rock... but cavalry is too weak to kill monsters on charge (monsters normally have steadfast), so I think cavalry should be buffed instead of infantery... Infantry don't tend to catch cavalry. But there's another issue there. Most cavalry lack punch and you don't tend to see see much cavalry that isn't either fast or have 1+ save. The reasons …

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    Another problem is that most monster and single models have a fairly small bases. Typical monster Will have a Chariot base and if fighting any infantry unit they Will only have 4 models Per rank able to strike Maybe its just infantry thats generally a little weak?

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    Quote from rolan: “Quote from DarkSky: “Quote from rolan: “Single models have to be compared to light troops, as the non-light units are hindered in their movement by the need to hold their formation.Now if you compare light troops to single models, they just move the same. Which makes perfect sense, as single models are not hindered by holding a formation, just as light troops. Your comparison of single models with troops in formation is simply wrong, you cannot compare pears with apples. ” Dis…

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    Quote from umbranar: “In my small local meta big blocks are the standard. Monsters usually get shot or magicked off the table or lose due to high S melee and/or static CR. Especially our local DH players has an abundance of options against monsters with gunners, xbows, canons, forge repeaters on characters or choppers, seekers.... ” Your meta is rich with greatweapon troops in Core and cannons maybe? My woes may well stem from liking STR3 grunts... but then encountering lists with 5-7 cowboys/mo…

  • Okay? So you'd just put the Chimera in the unit's front after is has reformed its flank to the warriors as the Chimera could make a legal charge before the reform?

  • Quote from Arturiki: “I would appreciate that you marked the units in some kind because every time you post a screenshot without them it takes me minutes to figure out what unit is what. ” I know, but I forgot during game.. and I had a wee bit of trouble trying to paint the photo

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    Is it just me or is the game very much dominated by single models these days? I like to take good honest Str3 infantry and archers, but except when playing elves I'm sort of at a loss for something they can hurt, so they tend to end up bunkering/scoring/hiding Are single models just too maneuverable/cheap/deadly for their price these days? Or do i simply need to stuff my army full of singlemodel counters and hope meta shifts? Or does LAB teams just need to focus on making infantry more viable? W…

  • Goblins- WDG Encircle-Hold the Ground 0-20 MVP: Nothing LVP: Everything, but especiallyt Wolf Chariots I had a soft list (4 Common Goblin units for Core, Trolls and such) and knew the matchup was hard, but it escalated quickly with 2 units spider riders and 3 chariots panicking off the board due to lashes from 2x 5 Flayers... Then a Feldrak Elder shrugged off 19 impact hits from my other chariots and broke the unit... annnnd it didnt get better I didnt play very well though, but the sad fact is …

  • Had this situation come up The Warrior unit below Giant spider can only charge ranked up goblins. BUT they are in their flank, and neither unit can close the door Can the the Warriors charge at all? Do either unit reform to align? My opponent argued you'd rotate the charged unit so it aligned the flank, but not sure how we'd end up or if thats right at all Further the Chimera lord next to hill also charges those Goblins. iF the Goblins align in to Warriors then I kinda doubt he can see their fro…