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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from berti: “Ever heard of unwieldly? And realized that marksman hit on 4 and not 3 with their shooting? So they are not really able to do both jobs...as Citadel guard can. Moving around and beeing some kind of cc threat and at the same time use shooting. Kings guard is there for close combat. And you see them in lists because they are already cheap for the bang they bring to the table ” With all due respect berti, I wasn't talking to you. The person I was talking to was of the opinion tha…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Zwei: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from Zwei: “Quote from Traumdieb: “The question is do Citadel guards with Spears do need shooting weapons except flintlocks as option of a weapon? But on the other hand Infernal Characters are weaker than Dwarf Characters so far I have been very successfull with a Clansmen unit as hero buncker next to a unit of seekers with two dragon seekers. But Infernal Characters are far from the strength of a king i.E. the unit needs to be better. Also DH pl…

  • Quote from baldargent: “To have a clear opinion please... Does the chariot benefit from the impact touch (chariot)and volcanic embrace (beast) in case I charge? Does the Infernal Engine benefit (if i missfired) Form D3 hit S6 plus 2d3 volcanique embrace? ” 1) No, there's no exception to the standard rule of "grinding attacks OR impact hits, pick one" 2) That appears to be correct.

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Zwei: “Quote from Traumdieb: “The question is do Citadel guards with Spears do need shooting weapons except flintlocks as option of a weapon? But on the other hand Infernal Characters are weaker than Dwarf Characters so far I have been very successfull with a Clansmen unit as hero buncker next to a unit of seekers with two dragon seekers. But Infernal Characters are far from the strength of a king i.E. the unit needs to be better. Also DH players may not like it but apart from to expe…

  • Quote from Herminard: “Quote from Tyranno: “Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “Just to use as an example my tournament list for the old book (2018/2019/early 2020) was: Alch master Pyro adept Bsb 3x 10 flintlocks 15 warriors for a bunker 2x flamer teams Train with guns 5 kadim 5 cav 20 immortals 2 bolt throwers would you consider this to be one of the above mentioned MSU/Mobile stuff lists? ” All core units at minimum sizes. Multiple light troops. Multiple single model units.Other than the Immortals, y…

  • Quote from DanT: “Not random. I think it could be done in two ways: lammasu player does the split in any fashion (1/4, 2/3, whatever) and opponent chooses. Or opponent does the split and lammasu player chooses. ” I think the former is easier than the latter, as the ID player (who presumably knows how their book works, and has the incentive to sit down and plan out potential splits) has to do the hard work of divvying them up, and their opponent just has to make a binary choice: these two or thos…

  • Quote from DanT: “Quote from Minidudul: “Maybe try this : the Lamassu have 5 spell, at the start of each phase, do 2 deck of spell : one with 3 spell, the other with 2, then the opponent chose which deck you can play this phase. The spell have to be different enough in order to make the split relevant. ” Oh, this is clever. And really old people can say "fact or fiction?" when doing it... ” Well now I'm sold. Five (five!) spells makes them sound like an incredible master of Arcane Lore... but th…

  • How is that a riddle?

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “Quote from Giladis: “@HappyCan303 rough design guidelines had been done at roughly the same time and were checked one against each other. The same was done for the three elven books. ” how is this done if there are no teams for the DH, HBE or SE yet? ” This was done when there was no team for ID or DE yet either, if I correctly recall the timelines; working out guidelines is done before assembling teams to work under said guidelines. Guidelines are the RT's job, and t…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Fnarrr: “This internal-relativity theory falls flat when you consider that having elite units in core was an active decision though. ” Incisive comment: we could absolutely nerf Citadel Guard to make Immortals be relatively better. Show of hands for who would like that.

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “Quote from Tyranno: “Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “this is obviously personal opinion but I think when building this book there may have been a bit of a lack of vision as to the bigger picture and how buffs/nerfs and changes to units was going to effect the army overall. I also firmly believe people that find the book too strong picked the wrong issues to take with it and the LAB team as a result followed the wrong path to fixing it. ” We were under heavy restrictions a…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “this is obviously personal opinion but I think when building this book there may have been a bit of a lack of vision as to the bigger picture and how buffs/nerfs and changes to units was going to effect the army overall. I also firmly believe people that find the book too strong picked the wrong issues to take with it and the LAB team as a result followed the wrong path to fixing it. ” Oh, the problem wasn't a lack of vision. The problem was an overabundance of vision…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “Also while anecdotal as small sample: There was a UB event in Ireland + UK over the past 6 weeks. From the Infernal Dwarves we have: 6 Infernal Dwarf players, there was 5 units of disciples of lugar taken (totaling 102 disciples). There was one unit of Immortals taken (by myself as I always include them as they were my favorite in previous versions. If we look at Cinco de Wingo, a large international 5 man team event, where there was 14 ID players we can see that ther…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from rolan: “Quote from DanT: “Quote from rolan: “ ” I am not sure I follow your objections.Or perhaps you are objecting to statements by members of the community rather than the project? I mean, it is just an overall peak eliteness restriction in the guidelines. The project is just saying that the best mortal infernal dwarfs can't be meaningfully more elite than the best mortal dwarves from the holds. It is very minor in the grand scheme of things (and has been there for years if the comm…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from rolan: “Reading the last 4 pages I got a real problem with some of the arguments used here. Why is ID to be compared with DH? At all? We have 3 different elf armies, and they function differently. Yes, you have some stats and rules in common, bit HE not having DE abilities was never a problem nor an argument. Better even, we have 3 different human armies, and while EoS and KoE share many stats, nobody complains about KoE getting some special rules from praying to a different god. WdG …

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from ferny: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Why do you think Citadel Guard have mandatory shooting? It was to ensure they don't overlap with Disciples of Lugar or Immortals despite being comparably elite: if you want an elite unit that just fights, you should take Disciples of Lugar or Immortals (and if you want a melee-only unit from core, pick IW). That then carved out "hammer" and "anvil" for the two special units, "basic chump" for Vassal Levy, we gave "buff wagon + dirt cheap bodies" to Sl…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Traumdieb: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from Traumdieb: “Quote from Tyranno: “Quote from Traumdieb: “and the rest of that book was an accident? Please quote the entire paragraph if you quote my stuff. These sentences belong together you know thats why I put them together. But to spare you the work. If the Taurukh Annointed would loose Bodyguard they would be a bad unit again. ” The rest of your post contained nothing that needed commenting on.You seemed to think that the Taurukh C…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Traumdieb: “Quote from Tyranno: “Quote from Traumdieb: “and the rest of that book was an accident? Please quote the entire paragraph if you quote my stuff. These sentences belong together you know thats why I put them together. But to spare you the work. If the Taurukh Annointed would loose Bodyguard they would be a bad unit again. ” The rest of your post contained nothing that needed commenting on.You seemed to think that the Taurukh Commissioner was a bad cowboy by accident, which i…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from JamesMcDonnell: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “It's not that you can't get spells through, it's that people can kill the 1 HP Champion and then you can't cast Hand of Glory on them at all. (Unless there's a character in the unit, sure, but that's still a point of failure - and at that point, you need to consider how much the character is adding to the unit) This applies to every single unit so is a moot point about lugars being good or bad. ” ” Inside ID it doesn't apply to the Large or G…

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    WhammeWhamme - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Vamp87: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Point of order: it is not statistically identical (even in the inaccurate sense of "on average die rolls"): The difference between -1 to wound (going from a 3+ to a 4+) and a 6+ aegis is that the latter removes 1/6th of the damage, the former removes 1/4th of the damage; -1 to wound is better than a 6+ aegis. The difference between -1 to wound (going from a 3+ to a 4+) and a 5+ aegis is that the latter removes 1/3rd of the damage, the former removes …