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  • @Chronocide you're always coming in with ideas! Not sure what your batting average is but I reckon about 50/50! But this time not my cup of tea for a few reasons. Fluff: it's too magicy. You're altering your opponents weapons, depriving them of shields, spears, halberds, etc. That's magic. And very invasive magic too. It's too much turning a prince into a frog for me and so not what I feel DH magic should do. Mechanics: the spell interferes with too many different aspects. Ours/our opponents mun…

  • I'd say watch this space come the next patch. It's a good idea I think but needs playtesting to implement properly. We made the pitch for a fixed price for TW's for this exact reasoning pretty much. The reason it was rejected was reasonable enough: There wasn't enough time to playtest and see the relative impact of setting a price for TW's on large DH units. So it wasn't really possible to price it. Of course that's something of a catch 22. We can't tell what sort of impact having TWs on large D…

  • Scottish Champs results DH v BH - Battleline & Breakthrough 10-10 lost secondary (damn ambushers) MVP x25 Vanguard Seekers Killed Gortach & held up Chariots for three turns. LVP Not sure. Everything was pretty good. DH v ID - Refused Flank & Hold the Ground 15-5 drawn secondary MVP x25 KG. Held charge from 6 Anointed & 25 Citadel Guard with Spears & Characters. Allowed flanks to come in. LVP x25 Seekers. Two mortars brought them down to 8 models in his first round of shooting. Ouch.

  • DH 2.2 General discussion.

    Dain_II - - Dwarven Holds (DH)

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    Quote from Giladis: “Sure thing. It is a traditionalist Dwarven gunline that hasn't changed much since the 5th ed of WHFB and late '90 when I was first introduced to Dwarves. 570 - King, General, Shield Bearers, Rune of Steel, Rune of Iron, Rune of the Forge, Great Weapon, Hand Weapon (Rune of Fury, Rune of Craftsmanship), 3x Rune of Shielding 385 - Runic Smith, Shield, Rune of Iron, Rune of Devouring, Rune of Harnessing, Rune of Shielding, 3x Battle Rune 320 - Thane, Shield, Battle Standard Bea…

  • DH 2.2 General discussion.

    Dain_II - - Dwarven Holds (DH)

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    Quote from Cam: “10 thanes hasn’t really done much and imo is a fad anyway. But I am interested to see if people now think their cowboy kings are dead as they were always seen with relentless company. ” Fad! How dare you sir. It's not perhaps the most competitive DH build. As Wings and the Scottish Champs clearly attest to! But it is a lot of fun. For the non-competitive players I heartily recommend it! So far in the Scottish champs, my updated build (which admittedly only has 8 GW Thanes) has d…

  • Quote from Ironclad: “Quote from Slayer Zabojcow: “Quote from Ironclad: “I want the dwarfs to be better in the grind, one option is to give +1 fight in extra rank for every combat round after the first. Fluff, dwarfs use superior discipline to surround the enemy. ” So you want FiER when you actually lose models and you can't use it effective anymore? Great design ” That would be a rule more to give a grinding feeling to dwarfs not very strong or useful so should cost almost nothing. It would hel…

  • I've said it before, I'll say it again. I want it all. And I want it all because there are issues with each direction. If we sacrifice defence for attack, well, that hurts our already underperforming firepower which, because of unwieldly, can't move and so relies on a strong defence. It's also frankly against canon for Dwarfs not to have some of the best armoured toughest nuts to crack in the game. On the other hand, improving defence at the expense of attack encourages DH not to compete in the …

  • Fair enough @Norn. And honestly, I frankly don't know the exact logic RT considered when putting a 0-3 limit on DS. That said, were I to play devils advocate, I would list a few reasons, from an RT perspective, that they may have been considering: 1. DS can auto-kill most things on the table, including the Vermin Demon. They can nuke large Cav, monsters and monstrous infantry solo. We don't want that to be unrestrained in the game so we need to include them in the anti-cowboy patch update. 2. Wh…

  • 2022 is a long time off. I'm grateful for what we have for now. Hopefully in 2021 we can knock out at least three more LABs. And then, who knows if by 2022 DH won't have it's turn in the sun to try and fix all our issues by rebuilding everything from the ground up.

  • Quote from ilovepeanut: “What's the deal with parry and why would it be a disadvantage to dwarves? Appart from that I pretty much agree with @Norn . I could understand that RT wants to move DH away from msu even if the way it was done was terrible. But you need to be consistent with your decisions. And stackable wisdom is maybe the least fun way to make magic happen for both DH players and their opponents. I never expected wisdom to be allowed to stack like that. I think that was unintentional t…

  • Hi @Norn cheers for speaking up. Lots of criticism there and well made too. Very respectfully made points. "I wait for someone to explain or justify the choices that were made." I'll have a crack. Quote from Norn: “I’m not here to be nice or to please or convince one or the other. When I like something I say that it is good and I congratulate those who participated. When I don’t like something I say it’s bad and I waiting for someone to explain or justify the choices that were made. Unfortunatel…

  • DH 2.2 General discussion.

    Dain_II - - Dwarven Holds (DH)

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    Quote from Happy Aspid: “Handicap for WODG player, not for DH. I do not put Chiefs and Thanes in corresponding units because I consider them to unstable and prone to be wiped out. Usually when you take barbs as WODG - your opponent says thanks, since now his light shooting have something to actually kill (since rest of the army doesn't give a damn about pyromancy or light shooting). I know that barbs are more point efficient than DH Warriors. ” Can't agree WDG player is handikapped on a one on o…

  • DH 2.2 General discussion.

    Dain_II - - Dwarven Holds (DH)

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    Quote from Happy Aspid: “Quote from Dain_II: “When weren't they? They're stats are similar. Thanes defensive focus with Plate, Shield wall, Res 5 and Chiefs have offensive focus with Battle Focus, hatred, & Str 5. Thanes have Off/Def 6 to Chiefs 5 but Chiefs have Agi 5 to our 3. Chiefs and Thanes have always been on a level imo. Price just now finally reflects that. ” BF and Hatred works only when you in squad of barbs - which is handicap on it's own. ” If you're taking a Chief on foot with a GW…

  • DH 2.2 General discussion.

    Dain_II - - Dwarven Holds (DH)

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    When weren't they? They're stats are similar. Thanes defensive focus with Plate, Shield wall, Res 5 and Chiefs have offensive focus with Battle Focus, hatred, & Str 5. Thanes have Off/Def 6 to Chiefs 5 but Chiefs have Agi 5 to our 3. Chiefs and Thanes have always been on a level imo. Price just now finally reflects that.

  • DH 2.2 General discussion.

    Dain_II - - Dwarven Holds (DH)

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    Ehem... A little something from The Thanes are coming! If we're going for unkillable... Quote from Dain_II: “We got hit lads. +5pt for GWs. Whatever shall we do? Come. Back. STRONGER! I'm currently working on two lists and I can't decide between them for an upcoming 5k tourney. Need your wise counsel. (Hidden Content) Or this one. (Hidden Content) Who can see what the plan is? ”

  • I mean this kind of list is now well within budget and the firepower here is insane! Now, have I ever made an MSU list before? No. Do I have any idea how to make this work? No. Will I ever play it? No. But I'm sure there are better players who've devoted more time to the study of MSU tactics than me out there who can do something with all these TW's we can now play with. Dwarven Holds 240 - Engineer, Wyrm-Slayer Rocket, Rune of Denial 170 - 10 Clan Warriors, Paired Weapons, Throwing Weapons, Mus…

  • I think this is the best change personally, though it's close with Wisdom, especially if the rumours of what the new VS are going to look like are true. TW's are now really good if super swingy against DE, HE, SE, DL, O&G, OK, EOS, UD, & VS. Also gives me hope for FWs in this meta.

  • DH 2.2 General discussion.

    Dain_II - - Dwarven Holds (DH)

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    I've been told yes. Bound Spells are bound spells. Each bound spell is a different bound spell. You can activate the same bound spell a number of times per phase. And a character with two bound spell items can cast both in the same turn even if they're the same. Runic Standards are items.

  • If I take two Rods of Battle with one character, can I cast both bound spells in a single phase?

  • Quote from tumti_rumti: “Did the HE just got their all 4 requests approved ? ” Yes. As did we. Three changes requested. Two units buffed, two Runes buffed, with a points and limits buff to Craftsmanship and triple the number of bound spells we can cast without an Anvil or RS. And the HE requests come with a lot of self-imposed nerfs including the complete deletion of the Huntsman Chariot build lists. Ours do not. Quote from Omarcomin: “Maybe add this to the main post by @fjugin. Whole lot of 'wh…