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Quote from Minidudul: “But we already have that : Auxiliaries using suppressive fire for Academy unit on charge. It's not enough ? ” took me a while to realise that suppressive fire works on Stand and Shoot.

DE selling point for me back then were the cold one chariots. Looked so brutal. Somehow I dont play much of any chariot safe UD chariot bricks. Anyone tried the new DE chariots?

Quote from Ivar K: “It might be a good idea to release the BG supplement(s) at the same time with the guidelines. It could give better impression for the audience of what to expect from the LAB and help them to help the project. ” I believe it was certainly the plan to release it earlier but there were some issues. Remember its written, dubbel checked and put it the right layout by volunteers. Life (especially in these pandamic times) can delay such things.

Do you have examples on how their shooting is a big issue for us? S5 AP 2 is a pain but its usually with a 4+ or 5+ to hit and the xbows are only AP 1 in short range. sure our res 4+ and armour reduce loses greatly? Just curious as it feels other shooters are a bigger issue.

Cusious to know, what did you play. Also how do you play vs KoE with adv 8+ and swiftstride and similar fast armies? Chaffing helps alot also.

Quote from Memnite: “Im not whacking anything, opened with statement i dunno wat it is and asking. Trying to figure out maybe im misunderstanding the flow ” Dont worry mate, I didn't mean your comments which are actually build upnwith arguments. I meant the followup posts going ham on the image you posted.

Frustrating but also kind of funny how the negativity spiral gets started up so quickly and spin out of control. That image is from a post from 2.5 years ago. Its not relevant anymore for this LAB. Check the source before you hold it up as the truth to whack the book with.

Note that the post is from 2018 and.might not be up-to-date anymore and does not apply to the LAB book.

Well lets get it out there so I might be able to update my list and practice for a certain Tournament as well

Can we get back to discussing DE instead of bashing the project? Some of us actually enjoy the game.

I think we should keep the negativity spiral at a minimum here (same arguments are echoing again and again and again) as the book is still in development and although it might not be at the sweet spot yet, I find it enjoyable and way better than what we had before the LAB. TBH, I cant wait for the next iteration of the LAB book.

The Gambit item for Wheel turns is pretty good tho.

Spiked shield attqcks are special attack so they don't get to benefit from special rules. There are a few exceptions but I'm not sure which.

Quote from IntrigueAtCourt: “thanks, this is how we played it. ” Not sure where but Fjugin confirmed in this thread some pages ago

Quote from IntrigueAtCourt: “how does riposte interact with opponent rerolls to hit? ” the final roll counts.

Quote from Randomus: “Quote from umbranar: “because point. My build features heroes heart or lacerating touch and the Mask of the War crow. 1. it adds something to my list 2. reroll 1s while you wound on 3+ or 4+. But sure for pure gladiator and if you like, add death cheater ” Basalt Infusion + Mirror = Death CheaterExactly same points, no? ” death cheater does not reflect hits and does not allow the DP in some cases to run around and basicly dont care about alchemy or flame shots (I play vs dw…

because point. My build features heroes heart or lacerating touch and the Mask of the War crow. 1. it adds something to my list 2. reroll 1s while you wound on 3+ or 4+. But sure for pure gladiator and if you like, add death cheater

Quote from piteglio: “thank you Umbranar, i'll add your two builds to the poll then. i wonder if Str 4/5 can cut through those thick characters, but that number of attacks is just too fun to be ignored : D i'll keep this open for a few more hours only, so if anyone wants to join the fun, now's the time! ” dont forget that DE has +1 to wound in the first round

Let me share my current try: 240 - Dread Prince 50 - Elven Horse 8 - Paired Weapons 35 - Basalt Infusion 40 - Lacerating Touch 50 - Mask of the Warcrow 65 - Moithirs Mirror Magic allowance used:200 Total: 498 Defences: 3+/5++/3++ vs flaming (return S5 AP 2 hits un succesful aegis save) Offensive: offensive 9, ignore parry, 8 attacks, S4 AP3, reroll 1s to wound. Alternatively you could switch Lacerating Touch and Moithirs Mirror for Heroes Heart and Talisman of Shielding for 7 S5 AP3 attacks. Its…

The only answer I have is: its 1 inch better. Not sure what kind of an answer your looking for.