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  • IMMORTALS Beta 4

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Herminard: “By my calculations - the current Immortals unit is overcosted by approx 75 points in starting size if you do not take a beefy character to bodyguard them. If you do take a beefy character to bodyguard them, then they are undercosted by approx 120 points. How the LAB intends to solve this cost conundrum with their current design quite beyond me. ” can you show your working out?

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Rzmoz: “The increased commanding presence range now seems a little redundant with the new infernal brand rule ” it was this bit I was wondering about do you think the fact the champion has 12” from all dwarf units now is redundant because the vassals are never played outside of 6” - is that what you are suggesting?

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Rzmoz : “Vassal Chieftain: Design is fine though a little redundant with the new infernal brand. ” @rzmoz - can you explain this comment from the other thread for me please?

  • IMMORTALS Beta 4

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Kriegschmidt: “Quote from Mike newman: “This is not particularly true. Something will not need to be done merely because a thread exists. The project will take a much wider view when evaluating guidelines for the next update. While community opinion is considered its is only part of the picture - if it was purely on the fact threads existed we’d have to change everything all the time ” Come on. This is unnecessarily pedantic. This thread was started by the person whose title is "ID Co…

  • IMMORTALS Beta 4

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Darkknight109: “still kind of like the idea I voiced earlier (and this goes to what I mentioned above in my response to @Mike newman which is that you could solve both the IW problem and the Immortals "redundancy" issue by removing Battle Focus/Whispers and giving them Weapon Master and granting them parry with IW again. Then GW becomes the offensive weapon, IW becomes the defensive weapon, spears become the middle ground (and ideal charge-receiver) and the unit as a whole has a very …

  • IMMORTALS Beta 4

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Kreigscmidt: “The fact this thread exists shows that something needs to be done ” This is not particularly true. Something will not need to be done merely because a thread exists. The project will take a much wider view when evaluating guidelines for the next update. While community opinion is considered its is only part of the picture - if it was purely on the fact threads existed we’d have to change everything all the time Quote from Darkknight109: “Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but…

  • IMMORTALS Beta 4

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    @darkknight109 so your issue is not their eliteness - but that, for you, they lack clear definition

  • IMMORTALS Beta 4

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    @SlaveToThePyre So this is not anecdotal? you have neither tried them how people have told you they are best used, nor tried them how you wish to use them?

  • IMMORTALS Beta 4

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Fwiw, as I don’t know if this has been stated already. Immortals were not changed in this latest update because the LAB team were not given a remit to change them. The reason they were not given a remit to change them was due to a number of things, including a) fairly new design in previous update, that had not brought about any/not tied to any considerable issue (as opposed to let’s say lugars which were tied to complexity issues) b) evidence to support immortals in the current form were being …

  • Quote from Mitou: “Arrived after a break on the forum. Checked the 3 last posts. I am leaving VS now. ” Seems a strange decision to quit using an army before you actually even read the full book

  • Quote from darkknight109: “^I have no idea why the formatting of that post is all wonky. It gave me no end of grief trying to post that, so apologies for any readability issues. ” your efforts are appreciated

  • I think everyone is right in that the impact of these models can’t really be judged until you know the wider context of the book. What might appear weak in isolation often is strong in conjunction with other things.

  • Quote from Locklust : “we have some amazing players on BH ” yeah but the fact some really crap players like Matt Brown are also doing well does raise an eyebrow or two

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Kasocles: “TLDR; is it intended that the Volcanic Embrace hits *potentially* do more damage than the incarnates themselves? ” The Kadim Incarntes are the Volcanic Embrace and the Volcanic Embrace is the Kadim Incarnates.

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from SlaveToThePyre: “And that's a pity, since setting fire to monsters and then smiting them with flaming rockets was pretty fun. ” There are still multiple ways to make this possible in the book

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Hi, I haven't really commented in much, to agree of disagree - rather than devolve in to a series of "discussions" on every point, we were keen to see more feedback and point of views. Which I think has worked well. However I just wanted to pick something up; Quote from Elpeji: “And the guideline is short range/more destructive ” This is a misunderstanding. The guideline is not more destructive. Just that it should be destructive. In fact I will copy a section of the guidelines here (dunno if th…

  • Quote from Kasocles: “Infernal Brand - I like it, the 6" leadership bubble for vassal is very thematic, though as someone stated before what does the chieftain add now? The second part of the rule is also quite strong, unique and thematic. Simple and good rule overall. ” The chieftain makes it 12” from all dwarf units and 18” from the general.

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from Slavetothepyre: “@Tyranno is there any space left for changes of this size? Or should we discuss less impacting changes for next version lest we waste words? ” The book only came out on Thursday! I would say discussing changes of any size for any further version at this point is premature and probably more likely to risk being forgotten.

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    the-ninth-age.com/community/ne…f-news-for-this-thursday/

  • ID General Chat

    Mike newman - - Infernal Dwarves (ID)

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    Quote from strauss: “Quote from Kriegschmidt: “Can't wait. I'm going to entertain my 4 month old daughter telling her aaaaaall about it. She doesn't have a frikkin' clue what I'm saying anyway, just that I'm giving her my attention, so I can say whatever the fork I like. "And Daddy's very excited about Disciples of Lugar. Yes, and Daddy's very excited about Kadim Incarnates. And Daddy's excited about Blunderbusses too. Yes, you are a good little girl. Oooh, look at the Infernal Artillery too..."…