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  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Peacemaker: “but its only 2 inches.... ” Have you been talking to my wife...?

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    First section that comes up on Dread Elves Official Wiki: Factions & Magic The Dread Elves possess the elven affinity for magic almost as strongly as their noble kin. Yet where the Highborn have a focus on the world around them, the true power of magic for the elves of Silexia lies within the mind. Even without magic, they are masters of manipulating emotions, fear most of all. Augmented with the power of the Immortal Realm, they are able to strike terror into the hearts of a most resolute foe. …

  • Mono-sin supplement

    Il Maestro - - Daemon Legions (DL)

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    Quote from Theokrit: “i would love it, if the armies could also inspire the respective sin in the opponent. Wrath giving opponents frenzy or more damage. Sloth slowing them down, Lust making them ecstatic in some way. Greed giving them extra incentive to go after some units (maybe our scoring units), envy... i dont know... Gluttony...maybe give enemie units the wodg gluttony rule. but they cant decide or something. Make it weird, make it have an impact on the whole game. ” Yeah, that would be co…

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Exalted Champion: “So if i get you right, i should better post my oppinion in threads, where the majority of people have the same oppinion as me? What sense would have a conversation in this case other than confirm each other and feel better cause you agree on each other cause there is no opposition. Sorry but that's exactly the opposite of what i consider a discussion. And you have the feeling that i am painting a target on myself cause i share my oppinion here? Woaw, that would be s…

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    *posted as a self-professed DE fan, not in any staff capacity* @Exalted Champion I agree with most of what you’re saying. However, you’re last 10 or so posts have been the same assertions of the DE player base repeated over and over. Despite what you might think, no one here wants an auto-win army. There is genuinely a preference for an army that is fun to play with and to play against. Given the majority of games are between friends, it’s really no fun curb-stomping your mates and having them h…

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Nanatoo: “A friend of mine said this which resonated with me after I complained for the XXth time about shooting lists: "You are doing the exact same thing as I am, but you just get your kills / roll your dice in melee." Pretty true when you think about it. ” I think that is a gross oversimplification of the roles of ranged vs melee damage. For example, if you roll 100 dice from your shooting attacks, I get to watch you, roll my saves, and remove models. If I roll 100 dice from my mel…

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from AlWeeks: “However one thing I noticed was that the WDG in there 'monster section' 'Legendary Beasts' have a max allowance of 35%, where as DE (for whom the guidelines say monstrous beasts are a strength) only get 30% allowance. ” FWIW, I don’t think DE have a specific strength in Monstrous Beasts - rather the sub faction ‘Hunters, controllers and beasts’. Which includes a bunch non-monster category beasts, like Thunder Herd, Beastbreakers, Gorgons, Hunting Chariot, and Beastmaster off…

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    You know, I’ve been checking out some of the playtesting reports and looking through results from some of the recent tournaments, and I’m starting to question how RPS this book actually is? There doesn’t seem to be much evidence that it crushes CC lists and gets smashed by heavy shooting, at least not publicly and at the level of people who are either dedicated PTs or playing in tournaments. So for those saying it’s too RPS and needs toning down, could you share some examples or battle reports t…

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Nemeroth: “Quote from maemon: “Quote from Giladis: “Elf is no more "attuned" to magic than a human, skink or orc. ” so we remove the Master of Spellcrafting from the HE ? ” No because it’s a learned technique over the centuries of life available to the elves which makes it possible. ” Wait... so one race’s ‘centuries of elven life’ allows them to become more magically attuned than almost all other spellcasters worldwide, yet an almost identical race’s ‘centuries of elven life’ makes t…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from arwaker: “What you mean by deficit? Maybe I just don't get the point. Is the BSB option for the Temple Legate so bad that you will never take it? Or is the BSB option for the Legion Legate so bad that you will never take it? Please give me a hint because I really don't understand the issue. The argument of having to give up something to get something else is in my opinion not valid in itself. It will become an issue, when either of the options is very unattractive, but so far I could …

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from BondageGoatZombie: “Quote from Il Maestro: “As for theme, I really don’t get it unfortunately. So far, who else has access to WM generals? Daemons - fine WoDG - debatable, but lack of shooting means I’ll err on the side of agreeing ID - what, the construct-making, gun-slinging dwarves? Ok, guess everyone gets it, right? So, my question is that if the most magically un-attuned race (dwarves) who already spend their time excelling at engineering and other inherently non-magical roles ha…

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from Giladis: “Now that it has been revealed DE are not going to be the only book without a Wizard Master general has your (plural) opion on the Warlock Outcast shifted in any way? ” Personally, not really - I don’t judge my happiness based on a similar lack of happiness in others. Having said that, there are two broad camps of arguments against the WO being NoL - the power level, and the theme. Power wise there are arguments that you could theoretically cost it low enough to overcome the …

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from arwaker: “Maybe they are spoiled by previous Temple Legate. Maybe they forget that other armies have even less attractive BSBs. Maybe they do not recognize that DE are among the armies that have the least urgent need for a BSB at all. ” DL: harbinger, can be BSB and adept, can be mounted, and has 150 points for manifestations (same as other non-general characters), and will be in army with WM general WoDG: difficult to directly compare, so feel free to make any comparisons you see fit…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from arwaker: “I have the feeling that this is a rather common issue. People fall into some kind of psychological trap of interpreting some rules as punishment for their game, while they are in fact rather neutral. Whether something is an advantage or disadvantage depends on the standpoint. Rules are worded and structured to be as simple as possible. Unfortunately the consequence is that some people interpret them as "bad" or unnecessarily restrictive. If the rule and stats would be formul…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from Slayer Zabojcow: “I think people have to accept that DE hereditary can't be too good because it can be cast into cc and against ranged units alike. The only thing that should be done in my opinion is split into 2 casting values - lower one against ranged attacks and higher against melee. ” Yes and no - it can be made to only have an effect on ranged units/attacks and therefore can be more finely tuned. But if it remains affecting both close combat and ranged, then I think you’re right…

  • Quote from Zwei: “That we can snipe chars/champions on top of that - never forget our irresistible will rule - is extremly strong and denying that is nothing more then power creep. ” It’s supposed to be strong - that’s the design of Irresistible Will. I mean, the actual power difference of IW has been discussed and explained to death, but it boils down to fewer spells, harder to cast, much harder to dispel. So my question is this: when evaluating whether Evocation is too powerful or not, is the …

  • DE General Discussion

    Il Maestro - - Dread Elves (DE)

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    Quote from msu117: “Quote from Nemeroth: “Quote from msu117: “Throwing this question out. Would the Rome burn if the altar was merely a buff wagon stand alone unit with 1 maybe 2 option paths but removal of warplatform? Potential then for zero death star issue with an altar build. Something to chew on and consider. Thoughts? @DarkSky ” Is that in addition to the Effigy of Dread?I must say a straight up buff/hex wagon Crucible of slaughter might be perceived as a bit less problematic than the cur…

  • Quote from berti: “He is an outcast and not trusted because he doesnt hesitate to sacrifice elfes for power.... Not with evocation instead of occu anymore... ” If he's not trusted that much, why would he be a part of any Dathen Republic army...? Why would anyone risk being the next sacrifice and not just stabby-stabby him in the back when he's not looking? And who would fight for a leader willing to allow the sacrifice of his own troops just to appease the ravings of a social outcast? I think th…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from berti: “IT IS -3 to dispell. Even when the rule says only -2, because the warlock still gets +1 on his roll (just the spell is also 1 harder to cast). So oponent needs to roll 3 more than warlock to dispell. And it doesn´t only target single models, it can snipe charakters out of units. So please don´t justify it with single models. Everybody can kill single models with ranged things. It is the sniping of charakters hidden units that makes it super strong. ” Isn’t the point supposed t…

  • Quote from arwaker: “Considering the repeatedly coming claims that DE suck vs gunlines, why not make the hereditary spell affecting opponent shooting only? That way the spell could be tailored for this specific task and get a casting value that is appropriate. Okay, against melee opponents the spell will be useless then, but you don't have to take it. The mechanics could stay somehow similar, but with stronger effect. Something like that: Curse of the Phantom Queen For each HP loss the hexed uni…