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  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    About the prefects : - Stygian Overseer : i've personally used it many times and he is ok, i took him with Map of the Deeps and Rod of Battle or Rodentium Bullets and usually at the start of the game he is in a central block to reach more tunnels then he slide back either alone or in a skirmisher unit, exploding tunnels is really valuable against chaff and elves and having the map and the rod of battle/bullet he always have something to do. The main downside is that if you can afford the map of …

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from Davian: “Quote from Chack: “Well, all of what i've read of the bg points into the direction of gods being, in fact, "just" very powerful supernals with good PR that have many mutually beneficial pacts with big/powerful mortal factions. ” This is exactly one of the theological problems I mentioned before :p And I think this kind of weakens the setting a bit. But as you said, this might just an interpretation. @hombre Yeah, that is I problem for me. Because if gods kan be killed that wa…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from Davian: “I find any kind of god-killing weapons being very unbelievable and a little boring. And the mere existance of such a weapon is making a lot of theological discussions very complicated. And not in a good way. ” Well, all of what i've read of the bg points into the direction of gods being, in fact, "just" very powerful supernals with good PR that have many mutually beneficial pacts with big/powerful mortal factions. Actually killing one with a powerful magical weapon made for t…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from Lagerlof: “I think Assassins might be underestimated. But their main issue is that they are not worth taking as solo models. ” I don't doubt that 3 of them can be effective, but probably there are better ways to invest 405 points of characters in a Vs army

  • They are really elitè for their role (hunting small shooters/flankers/chaff), i see potential for getting into the flank of a spear unit to negate their first turn bonuses, i see support charges with a champion for a flying lord, i see emergency chaff, i see witchcraft boosting that 10" into something more. Dunno, 3+ armour with hard target and 10" movement seems too much for their role, Dis 7 makes them unreliable so a bit RPS, it's a bit weird, i'll think on that.

  • Makhar Discussion

    Chack - - Makhar

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    Quote from DD_MAN: “I've done a few games now. I didn't know where to go with the magician . magician on chariot, wasn't so great now. where do you put in? ” Free roaming on Elk with Destiny Call, i rarely have problems with moving him around and if i'm scared about warmachines i can just join him to a unit of lancers since he is still standard cavalry

  • Dubbio trono di quercia

    Chack - - Italy

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    Non ci sono limiti sulle unità, solo sui singoli modelli.

  • Dubbio trono di quercia

    Chack - - Italy

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    Direi che non è stato aggiornato il compendio arcano, perché adesso oaken throne funziona per tutti i caster di druidismo indipendentemente da chi l'ha lanciato, mentre quello vecchio funziona per il mago singolo e per quello era ripetibile ( e difatti ha il wording " [...] se la fonte è influenzata [...]" e non "[...] if any friendly caster [...]")

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Tunnels in general works well, shadowfur shooting at elves are good (15 of them with trowing weapons are 170 points and on average kill 7,5 elves per shooting phase), the earthbreaker is a Re 5 1+ stubborn piece, blackfurs appearing from tunnels thanks to the bell of deep roads are bad news for elves and exploding tunnels kill a lot of elves (to avoid multiple units getting hit they have to split up which is as good). Witchcraft is good for giving them -movement, no shooting and malus to casting…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from WarX: “@Chack You can put Aquila on mounted BSB in Fetthis Brutes ” That sound like a plan a vermin could think about, let's place general on triumphal platform and bsb in a single unit because it's cool and it assert dominance, redundancy be damned

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    The pulpit just seems incredibly costly for what it offers when compared to the bell, start by shaving like 100 points from it (i've not seen any data about it, just personal feeling and i play a unit of disciples) and see how it goes, maybe there is some sinergy i'm not seeing but the 6++ of the bell, channel (1) and march to the beat 18" seems to me way more useful than anything the pulpit has to offer, also the effects are universal and the bell can be carried by core troops. Otherwise you ha…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Some sparse toughts : - I always get very close the cap of the character section and i'm not even including a triumvirate, i also can't find points for the bsb usually, playing with the triumphal platform is part of that but i see that this is pretty common - The method for choosing the unit of the assassin can be confusing if you have pairs of units like i always have (like 2x 10 grenadiers), the DE method (any infantry unit basically) is considered too strong ? Also can we move it to the same …

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from DemonLordDave: “Quote from Chack: “Quote from DemonLordDave: “Am I wrong to think it’s way too punishing to have the Senator be able to be cannonballed in his unit to have access to the discipline range he had? This seems like a really risky way to play your most important model. ” The senator litter is standard infantry so you distribute hits like before (on the unit until there are less than 5 R&F models) ” Doesnt the Tall rule break the “same type and same height” part of not b…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from DemonLordDave: “Am I wrong to think it’s way too punishing to have the Senator be able to be cannonballed in his unit to have access to the discipline range he had? This seems like a really risky way to play your most important model. ” The senator litter is standard infantry so you distribute hits like before (on the unit until there are less than 5 R&F models)

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from arwaker: “Shadowfur Pistols 1ppm? I had the feeling they were okay at 3. At 1 they seem like auto-include. Am I missing something? ” Throwing weapons have Str and Ap as user and now shadowfur have Ap2, so the throwing weapons are now way more powerful, i'd say even better than pistols, but with the fact that you stay still when you get out of the tunnel and to have properly placed tunnels you have to spend lots of points maybe they found the extra range more valuable, it's an overall …

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    New alpha version ! the-ninth-age.com/community/ne…/1172-vs-alpha-3-is-here/ Will do an extended revision later but for now i'm seeing Ap2 on the throwing weapons of my shadowfurs with less price than my pistol wielding ones and that makes my tunnel list very happy, also hereditary measured from tunnels it's spicy.

  • Bloodfur Legate Builds

    Chack - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    I played some games with the bloodfur legate general on triumphal platform and he was ok, first game he fought a lamia vamp count and nearly killed it, then it got killed but it's not every day that you see Str 7 Ap 4 attacks on a Ds 7, Distracting, 4++ defensive chassis, also when he finally died the VC army was mostly destroyed and i had his big unit with commandment engaged on 3 different fronts (no raising) with like 20 models remaining. Second game i misplayed and i got charged on the flank…

  • ETC VC list discussion

    Chack - - Vampire Covenant (VC)

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    Quote from RobertR: “Yeah, the points vary according to use data but you still need a starting point right? So somewhere the points were assigned first and if they're assigned at a high level it will stay high with some variance. Not really, if an entry remains underselected/unselected the team has proven to be able to discount things heavily, could the team be more daring in the point updated ? Yes but big fluctuations happened as a result of relatively small point decreases so the team has rea…

  • ETC VC list discussion

    Chack - - Vampire Covenant (VC)

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    Quote from hugomac: “Quote from LaughinGod: “I always thought it is illogical for VC to pay for raise stat on their troops. It would make sense if raise value was a roll at the end of the turn that gives you back models. But since we have to cast it as a spell, it should not cost anything IMO. ” So much THIS. I mean, it´s not free, we must use our magic in that instead buff/debuff or damage. By that logic, every army should have a "magic tax" because anyone can buff their troops with magic, one …

  • SE lists at ETC 2k21

    Chack - - Sylvan Elves (SE)

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    To me the SE book it's fine, i never did that much competitive playing but when i did i was about average, the book is RPS (especially with me playing only elves) but in principle the mobility allow you to smooth some bad matchup by avoiding/bunkering, though on that point i leave the evaluation to better players than me, I enjoy playing with it in the end so fine on that point too, recently i took up some other armies because i wanted to give some feedbak for the betas and to try something new,…