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  • DE Rule Questions

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    Quote from Babnik Kalenina: “Good day I used for first time new H spell against ID and it was unclear to both of us Question: When spell is activated and opponent inflicts wounds to my lovely Daeb with different units, rocket battery and bowmen vassal levie. Both units get the curse of 1D3+1 hits S4 AP2? Or only the first one? Also, when exactly do I choose how many veil tokens will be discard? At the beginning of my opponent magic/shooting phase? Or when he announces what action he will make? T…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from setrius: “ Contempt: A model with this rule ignore the Panic Tests from others units that don't have at least one or more models with this rule. With these changes you represent the moral superiority and the arrogance of the DE Nobility for example. ” I like it and would add this rule to Dread Knights aswell since they are nobilty as well.

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from Cam: “Would people be upset at losing the apprentice BSB because of his spell over his stats? ” To be honest? No. The Spell is a gimmick, the 4++ is a huge saver in points that would otherwise go into defensive gear. It also makes me a lot less nervous about putting my Temple Exarch BSB on the front ranks to fight. For 50 points I could take the Heirloom and be happy with my current MSU list and I think most lists if the Temple Exarch wasn't a caster at all. For me its a fighty BSB th…

  • Quote from Shukran: “@umbranar i have already posted several times that 40% of wdg entries are single models. Since u just stated some armies are meant to be single models, is wdg part of it? How do you balance it in infantry meta? Do u consider just labs or slims too into the transition patch? ” Do you count mounts? As for the statement, the project had stated with last balance patch that they are trying to try and slightly shift the focus towards infantry. I'm sure WDG is supposed to be able t…

  • DE General Discussion

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    I disagree, the divide of 1 common path, 3 paths per elven factions is simply too simple. Although the background is mostly hidden at the moment, having paths strongly connected to said background is in my opinion a much better way to fit mechanics to background than the other way around, fitting the background to the mechanics. I fear the phrase "because a wizard did it" would be used to just basically shoehorn the background into the mechanic and thats a style GW worked with quite often. The i…

  • Quote from Shukran: “Quote from umbranar: “Data gathered has starting. As you might know, the input of lists from various tournaments and posted results is a manuel task which takes quite some time. The algorith indeed outputs suggestions which are a guideline for changes, often overridden or adjusted manually depending on quite some factors like feedback from various sources (including the community) and project desired direction (like moving towards more infantry play). ” About more infantry p…

  • Models for the Dread Elves

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    Quote from spicybarbecue: “probably been mentioned but where is everyone getting their repeater crossbowmen from? ” Internet. Lateley I bought the files for 3d printing from Myminiaturefactory from Dragon's Lake Miniatures. These to be exact: myminifactory.com/es/object/3d…-elves-crossbowmen-148275

  • Data gathered has starting. As you might know, the input of lists from various tournaments and posted results is a manuel task which takes quite some time. Quote from WastelandWarrior: “All units up 5pts, fde up 25pts. That’s the wdg algorithm ” The algorith indeed outputs suggestions which are a guideline for changes, often overridden or adjusted manually depending on quite some factors like feedback from various sources (including the community) and project desired direction (like moving towar…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from Kriegschmidt: “What I would deeply hope the team will take away from the last couple of pages is: There are people (plural) bothered by similar, fundamental changes/losses, who have given up posting about them. ” On the other side, I'm pretty sure that the people who ARE happy with the book (atleast for the most part) are either arguing with those not happy, or not posting at all, instead of listing the positive points, which is pretty normal on a discussion forum about a faction. It'…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Where moving cosmo to maximum adept level loses some offensive spells, Shamanism brings quite some utility and offensive spells. Swarm of Insects is a long ranged spells that can very well kill warmachines/shooters/chaff. Then there is Chilling Howl to debuff shooting some more, and totemic summon is straight up sweet to harass backlines. Break the spirit is both a debuff, and can do some serious damage and mess with the plans of you opponent. From a power level it sounds great to me. From a bal…

  • Quote from nomrakram: “Quote from Izomov: “I dont see UD as "decaying" The nobility is well preserved and mummified, everyone else is only bones or statues. I think vultures are the only "stinky" unit we have :p ” Ok - it isn't smelly. It is unbelievably scary and unnerving, and distracting. What hardened soldier would not be affected by walking close to a reanimated thing? A bubble of fear... ” In a fantasy settings its hard to tell what will scare a trained soldier. Magic? Monsters for sure (t…

  • Quote from Palmu: “As scouts and outriders is the most sensible, I'd say the only reasonable role, as there they provide a service that undead have a harder time fulfilling, and are in a reasonably safe place on the battlefield to further reduce casualties. Then of course, mechanically Scouts die first on the field, a great example of gameplay & story segregation. ” Unless they have a cool rule that fulfills two purposes, like the Makhar parting shot. Flee and shoot makes them perfect to delay t…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from Giladis: “Quote from Eol: “Background could be oriented in a way that each elven faction is more devoted to different gods. Those two are more HE IMHO ” That is already the case. SE have Amryl (nature) and Cadaron (hunt) DE have Nabh (war) and Darag (smithing) HE have Meladys (scholarship) ” smithing is a bit weird for an army book with mainly light and heavy armour. Pretty much none of the entries has an armour better than 2.

  • Quote from Borneo: “I mean that's one thing to be exposed a short period of time to the stinch of the dead. And that's another sharing encampments and battles with them. Also the point have been raised the UD continously brings back the living the keep the dynasty alive, those guys are def not well decayed It might be just me but that would feel very unnatural. ” There are plenty of scarabs and vulture to just clean the flesh of the bodies though

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from kangur: “Quote from umbranar: “Evocation, Shamism, Witchcraft sounds perfectly fine for DE, they are split off from the other elves anyway, especially for Warlock Outcasts. ” Seems very Delfish for me .If we are in alpha stage maybe it is option to try it? Personaly i like Evocation instead Ocultism and i think it was good change. I know it breaks somehow builds of Warlock on dragon but since familiar gone i don't care ” #Bringbackthefamiliar

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from Mojzesz: “Well WO is an outcast, not really a part of the civillised society, so maybe access to more primal paths would not be such a stretch. Also we got information that he got banished for practicing "unaccepted" paths, but why then does he have access to Cosmo which is supposed to be the "go to" path accessable for all the elves. Was he practicing looking at stars in some unaccepted manner? Other thing is apart from sentient dragon and not so wild and dangerous horse he can mount…

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from Ciara: “Bruh, shamanism is for savage races like se, ong ok or bh. ” Current (and I think LAB) KoE has this as well but isn't savage. Though they have strong ties to nature and animals, but for an Outcast it might not be far fetched to practice this "savage" path. I can also perfectly imagine the beastmasters asking/paying/trading for aid from the Outcasts to fetch the fiercest beasts (Hydra's, Kraken's, Thunker Herds, Raptors). So ties to beasts is already there in the DE society.

  • Quote from Borneo: “Quote from umbranar: “Very true. You could also look at it the other way, maybe the Pharaoh sending the army does not care much because they can be raised afterwards to join their ranks? Perhaps thats a cool mechanic, some units with a "living" and "undead" counterpart and/or the ability to turn a dead living unit into lowly skeletons/ NG a turn later, depending on the eliteness of the "living" unit. ” I'd argue it would be problematic for the living to co-exist with undying …

  • DE General Discussion

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    Changing the topic: has anyone used the new Harpies? On tournaments and in the list building threads I barely seem them. I don't have fitting models yet so before I invest I want to hear some failures/successes.

  • DE General Discussion

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    Quote from Cam: “Quote from Ciara: “its not like you let elves die. Your opponent decide if they die. You decide if you want to take revenge for them via hereditary. ” Nah 1) occultism you can’t use because maybe you will sacrifice for an increased effect. 2) H spell you cast a spell that requires elves to die to get any effect. If it’s so precious why is your signature number 1 all time spell only taking effect when elves die? It’s completely nonsensical to me. ” I'm not sure how to correct you…