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  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from Wesser: “Lol 20 year Old news:) Certain units such as Cheap infantry, shooty fast cavalry, and other units that doesnt rely on magic or synergies are stronger the smaller the game is. Have a look at the two Undead factions. They scale far worse. They become the worst armies at 1000 points, but dont get much stronger in higher games as the IP bubble is the same and magic dont get much stronger ” So, we should accept it because we can't do anything about it?

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    I have a completely different topic. What is your impression on VS performance in other than 4500 army size? Recently I played some games with 3000 and I had the impression that we are stronger in smaller games, because it is easier to keep the blocks in bubble range. Just an impression, far from statistically evident. And without having played any larger than 4500 games, I still have the suspicion that here it is the opposite. I know, balance is optimized on 4500. Is it even a major problem? Ca…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Yes, and we also all know that Wizards in general are a bit out of the usual balancing process. Point costs for VS priests are predominantly there to balance the different magic setups against each other, within the VS army. The only relevant parameter in this discussion is the external performance of VS army in general and the variability of their character section. Comparisons with other armies hardly help in this discussion, they could only provide a very rough ballpark.

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from WastelandWarrior: “(Seriously though, I'd love it if they did and added more faction specific items) ” That was also my vote back in the days of this poll. However, the majority of community decided. This ship has sailed, I would not even bother arguing.

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from berti: “One thing to make the pick rate better is to delete the crown with +1 disc from arcane compendium. Then the senator still is the choice with better disc and bigger bubble, but it is only 1 point of disc, not 2 as it is currently. (because the senator neither needs a lot of protection items nor weapons because he is no fighter. The legate general, will propably never benefit from the crown at all because he will be used as fighter, so investing points into the crown will not ha…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Yeah, I think when Dictator was a tiny bit cheaper and the Triumphal Platform was significantly cheaper, we could reach about 33% pick rate for each army general choice. Such situation I would consider as good. Even if it was in range of 20%-40% for each, I would consider as acceptable.

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Assuming those values would hold for a larger statistics, is 75% considered an auto include? How many HE lists play a master mage? How many VC play Count? How many ID play Master Prophet? Personally I would prefer having at least a third option. Maybe Triumphal Bloodfur could fill this role, given the platform was cheaper.

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Everytime someone in this thread speaks about DIS, somewhere a cute rat baby dies.

  • Quote from berti: “The hereditary WORKS on the forge wardens. ” Hordes of Dwarfs will come and kill you if you try to curse them with you elven bling bling magic.

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    But one also has to admit, that the crown is just more handy on a backline character. And Vermin are the rare exception where the backline character has the highest DIS. Have you ever seen an Orc Warlord with Crown of Autocracy? Hardly, because he needs points for weapons and protection, he can't afford to buy bling bling Crowns.

  • But this guy ....

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Well, we are definitively weak when our general dies. Especially (or only?) when we we don't have a BSB. But I don't think this can be compared to UD or VC losing their general/hirophant. We can still win combats with Life is Cheap. We don't just crumble away into dust. Someone still has to win a combat in the first place by breaking through passive 4 and Life is Cheap, which is a challenge for many things in the game.

  • House Prefects DO stand for their own. They suffer a bit of point cost and not efficient enough spexial rules. But they can be played with or without their unique item. The item exists because when you decide to play with a Prefect, your army has a certain house(ex clan) flavour. He item just allows you to even put more emphasis on this specific house. Moreover, you can also give all of those items also to a Senator, without necessity of getting the Prefect. I don't feel unnecessarily restricted…

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Short summary: I am okay with being forced to play either Senator or Dictator. I am also okay with being forced into Witchcraft Adept. But I am not okay with being forced into 'always' playing a bunker.

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Ok, short summary of the (in my humble opinion) viable character setups in VS: Dictator w.o. bunker 1) Dictator + Witchcraft Bell-Adept 2) Dictator + Witchcraft Toga-Adept Dictator with Bunker 3) Dictator + Witchcraft Adept 4) Dictator + Witchcraft Adept + Thaum Apprentice 5) Dictator + Witchcraft Adept + Occult Apprentice Senator Bunker w.o.Triumverate 6) Senator + Witchcraft Adept + Thaum/Occult Adept 7) Senator + Witchcraft Bell-Adept + Thaum/Occult Adept 8) Senator + Witchcraft Bell-Adept + …

  • Ha, good catch. Hermit's Blessing is a little bit a special case. In the current form it makes sense it is restricted to Errahman Priest. But I agree it could be helpful for the game if other Priests could also have some kind of Wizard-only-Armour. But I have this opinion for a different reason than you might imply here. It is a specific case, but rather the exception. I just stated the circumstance in the main thread. In general I don't see an issue with certain effects tied to an item that is …

  • VS background supplement?

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Short answer, yes I think that's okay.

  • Special Item Restrictions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Im not sure whether what you describe is a problem at all. Yes, there are many items that are restricted to certain characters. But in my opinion most of them make a lot of sense the way it is, because otherwise it would feel somehow unflavourful. I think what you describe is more related to some characters not being attractive at all. The current level of restrictions in who can take which item is imho reasonable and flavourful.

  • VS LAB Alpha Discussions

    arwaker - - The Vermin Swarm (VS)

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    Quote from rolan: “Just my observation on your reasoning:Do you think that list building is pretty restricted for VS, as you mention many auto-picks and obligatory choices you are forced to make, and your explanations don't leve much room for other ways to build the army. Does it seem a good idea for the game to be forced to a very specific character build? ” No, I don't see a general issue with being forced into character auto-picks. At least not more than with other armies. I rather have the f…