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The new slaves are maybe the best change in all books if you look at reducing complexicty. No joke. I dont like the new unit but it feels like the cleanest cut of complexity and fixing a non liked unit in a single attempt.

Look behind offensive stats. Its there.

I would prefer to just scrap the keys rule and give disciples just regular MR to finish off the complexity design issue. While they are flavourfull they are a bit weird for opponents.

Infernal Dwarves 535 - Prophet, General, Prophet of Ashuruk, Wizard Master, Alchemy, Shield (Willow's Ward), Obsidian Rock 300 - Lamassu Scholar 195 - Vizier, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer, Pistol, Alchemist's Alloy 403 - 32 Vassal Levies, Spear and Shield, Bow, Musician, Standard Bearer (Flaming Standard), Vassal Chieftain 403 - 32 Vassal Levies, Spear and Shield, Bow, Musician, Standard Bearer (Flaming Standard), Vassal Chieftain 319 - 26 Vassal Levies, Spear and Shield, Bow, Musician, Standa…

Youll love my lists then. For the event this weekend I am trying a dwarf infantry unit for the first time this year

But the spear is such a... slave vessel weapon ;). Its logical that Dwaves would use spears (both ID and DH) but my inner nerd always feels it should be axe, mace or Demonic weapon. If we could get Kadimbinded spears Im in though! ;).

Quote from Manxol: “As I said before, this whole update is a missed oportunity, in my opinion. - Enchantments: a whole disapointment. Reform banner can't see a lot of gameplay, because once you are pined you can't reform (aside from moving charachters). With AP2 at best, Onyx Core still feels underwhelming, and Eye of the Bull has taken a big hit. Other objects are situational. I can understand +10 points in the Tablet. - Overlord: the lose of Arrogance wasn't a big hit(reroll to hit is sort of …

So listened to the podcast :). Feels like a small win in total. Some changes I hate from a feelings perspective (removal of rules I liked either flavourwise or just how they helped my style of list). I think that for me personally its a small weakening of my current list but it does open some new units to tinker with. Slaves for example or bolthrower. There should be some solid upgrades in here. I think the major work left to do for the teams is looking at points. Most ID stuff is just a bit to …

I believe people just want to play with flintlockes (and blunderbussss for us real old times) because when I think of an infernal dwarf I see the classical image of curly beard and some weird evil looking gun. And not a pistol and spear @SlaveToThePyre. Now I dont feel like nostalgia should be a deciding factor, but I do feel that some of the rumblings about price (and the 60cap) is tied to wanting to move big numbers of gunny dwarf units.

Its more that it gave you an unit that helped to hit (main issue with ID) without using magic, because magic is fickle. Also I feel it shifted the internal balance to far to the shooty variant (for me).

Everyone, quick bring the other armies drama to the ID forum :D.

@Traumdieb nah man. Vessels are the best unit in core. And I heard they got cheaper.

Ahh I would have put money down they would loose their MR rule.

As someone who hasnt been able to watch yet. Whats done with the disciples?

Quote from Marcema: “Units of flintlocks saw a lot of use in the Rending Banner. Large units of 25 flintlocks used to have to pay 50p for that. Now you get for 1ppm extra and usable in all rounds of combat. So when playing large units of flintlocks one can argue they got 25p cheaper i guess? Generally i feel the book made a good step in the simplification process. Interesting to maybe play double Walking Volcano now? ” Even better since you can add another banner now. Guess Ill have to see if th…

March 12? Lol. To bad our core is already filled with awesome (vessels) but this does make me want to try them.

For those that watched the video already. Did slaves loose their buffing rule?

Quote from Dain_II: “Quote from Blonde Beer: “If we are wishlisting designs... Make the gun a breathweapon for each turn. 4 models or less, d3 hits. 5 to 10, d6 11 to 20, 2D6. Make minimum size unit 20. Strenght and AP I dont care about that much, just think it would suit the unit. Would still be hated by all low R low armour units but hey its fun to set things blazing. ” Do you mean each? Or total for the unit? Each model in a unit 11 to 20 gets a 2d6 breath weapon or the whole unit gets just o…

If we are wishlisting designs... Make the gun a breathweapon for each turn. 4 models or less, d3 hits. 5 to 10, d6 11 to 20, 2D6. Make minimum size unit 20. Strenght and AP I dont care about that much, just think it would suit the unit. Would still be hated by all low R low armour units but hey its fun to set things blazing.

Anyone tried double bastion? With 2 x 20 BB from core?