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Quote from berti: “Also point costs are the deciding factor if it is fine or not. ” Slight disagreement here. Point costs will determine the power level, that doesn't mean its fine. Having your models one is being used to frequently creating chaos amongst you and your enemy to become one-hit-wonders is not fine for everybody. I'm a green greenskin but my first impression about that is "oh no" and "my poor wrecking teams". Though if with low enough points also an increase in maximum units is comi…

Quote from dan: “Quote from YungPabby: “str 2 goblins inc!! ” Easy, Mr. Creepy-Crawly. ” Wrong book but I think Str 2 (in addition to the R2) could've been one (not the only) way to balance VS units with LiC & all the instances of FieR. Whether all those extra are needed is another topic but they do tell a story. I've only started my goblin army 3 months ago, but I could see a future in which goblins are S2 and wouldn't mind at all.

Quote from WhammeWhamme: “And in general, ID should have some magic banners. They've got a lot of units that can take magic banners, it makes sense ” Bring back Banner of Shamut and remove it. Icon of Ashuruk shouldn't even exist in the first place (of course only in my opinion) as a way to circumvent the weakness against Flaming Aegis. Let units suffer their spare disadvantages/others their advantages they're paying for. It is also quite complex compared to other stuff. On the topic of Titan: I…

I'm left wondering how CG with Spears got a 2 point discount but not the base unit (and if needed increase the price of Flintlocks even higher (not that I'd like that)). CG with Handweapon & Shield are played even less then with Spears. Apart from that, I think ID are in a very good position after this update. I would not be surprised if the wheel turns and next year points increase again on some units.

Can we return on the topic about crying about rats and leave out that discussion to one of the other threads? (Every 10th one keeps to turn to one like this if it gets long enough.)

My understanding is not that the bg claims this restriction needs to be in place, as it was said that it was a "clunky solution". The background was brought forth to argue @'Klexe''s point that this restriction goes *against* the background, which it does not. That doesn't mean its the only/a good solution, just that it does conform to background as much as the 0-2 restriction did.

Quote from Tyranno: “Quote from Squirrelloid: “however, since even the chariot has exclusive (chariots). ” Son of a... ” Yeah, I had it in a couple of lists with a Lugar Prophet on Chariot.. not anymore. Only way I'll ever use it is on an Ashuruk Prophet geared for Melee with Volcanic Embrace.. but that model costs close to 800p for a tanky Wizard Master, not really worth it. I don't see myself ever playing it anymore.

Quote: “What if Gits Launchers still launched Gits and those Gits sometimes survived? - Shouldn't all Troll types have a unique bonus? And come to think of it, are slim trolls really that tough? - Would you be happy or unhappy to hear that exactly half of our magic items are borrowed or tweaked from slim (currently)? Asking for a friend. - What’s better: new weapon options for Goblins, a Goblin special unit, or both? - Would we be forgiven if Xbows were moved to Special to make room for all that…

Quote from Glegut: “Quote from Mike newman: “As I replied. All data is publicly available via the public tableau. You can find this and anything else you are interested in for yourself. ” Thanks for your quick answer. Can you share with us with some link ? Regards, ” public.tableau.com/app/profile…alysis_16379569647110/KPI

My wishlist would've been: Merge CG & IW into one. Make that unit 15-30 and give it Fires of the Industry (1) (2 above a certain unit size) Give them all Shield, Pistols, Infernal Armour and option for: GW, BB, Spears, Flintlocks Increase Fires of the Industry points to, dunno.. 8. Still limit Warmachines to 0-3. Immortals also get Pistols and Fires of the Industry. Wanna play 80 Flintlocks? Sure you can, but no more/reduced Artillery. Yeah you could then play 3 warmachines + a Titan/Infernal En…

Quote from Villon: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “Quote from dan: “I might have asked this before, but do we lack a non-pistol CG option due to background reasons? ” There's a fair amount of BG sense to experienced mercenaries wanting to keep a sidearm, but functionally it's there because we were trying to raise the eliteness of non-Flintlock Citadel Guard relative to Flintlock Citadel Guard to avoid precisely the current pricing situation, where people go "it's so overpriced I won't take it" despit…

Even assuming the data which has been collected over the lasts months (prior to the patch) is still relevant. Some of you make it sound like its impossible to play ID or that you get 20-0'd commonly. If thats the case, its not the army, its you. We're talking about a world in which the lowest ranked army still averages 9/20 points and the results from 0-20 are 'mostly' symetrical with 10 being the axis.

Because internal balance and fixing unliked designs is still a reasonable thing to do. External balance is quite tight, there's hardly any data available because the prior changes make old data useless. Without the 3 design changes per army this year could've been a wonderful to update external balancing thanks to @Sander & co. Considering the data collection won't stop I'll assume that next year's balance patch will have a bigger focus on external balance again (as did prior years though this t…

Quote from Warshout: “Quote from Krarks: “Edit: Regarding BB Why is it such a big deal that not every model can shoot? Not every model actually needs to do something every point of the game. That should/will be reflected in the price. If you assume you'll only ever benefit from 12 shots anyway, then the price per model per BB on a 20 dwarf minimum sized unit will be lower than on a 12 dwarf minimum sized unit. ” It is a big deal because they cost 5 points per weapon. If 10 warriors are never sho…

Quote from Estebanvol: “Quote from WhammeWhamme: “My belief was that allowing taking it on Flintlocks and people then shooting in four ranks with Flintlocks would have been rejected for being a buff to Flintlocks, rather than being something to make Blunderbusses viable. ” I just don't see any reason why to take it with flintlocks. Even for a 25 flintlocks unit, you can just shoot will all in line formation. ” Because flintlocks would lose shoot in extra rank in that proposal. Not a fan as I lik…

Quote from Tyranno: “Quote from Krarks: “Standard goblins also have big ties to the animals. Wolves, Spiders, Gnashers and more..Shamanism for goblins confirmed with the LAB you've read it here! (I know that's not what you said and just want I want to hear) ” Technically Hobgoblins bond with animals is stronger. It's why they are designated as a cavalry army ” It doesn't feel like a cavalry army without any access to cavalry in core. Slim goblins can do that (although without scoring) but it's b…

Quote from Tyranno: “Thank you for the feedback! To answer the "where does Shamanism come from?", it's due to the Hobgoblins affinity with animals. Generally armies with closer ties to animals get Shamanism. ” Standard goblins also have big ties to the animals. Wolves, Spiders, Gnashers and more.. Shamanism for goblins confirmed with the LAB you've read it here! (I know that's not what you said and just want I want to hear)

Quote from Dain_II: “What is the point of the Icon of Ashuruk? It's your most expensive banner but it seems to nerf your biggest strength. Can't figure it out. ” Get around Flaming Aegis units/cowboys so your units with mandatory Flaming Attacks don't get stuck in them.* It can also be used to have a Flaming toxic Breath Attack if the standard bearer is the last model of the unit or the banner is being carried by a Vizier. *Seeing as that is one strength/weakness of ID I'm not a fan of this bann…

Nosferatu is also "only" 20 points despite the boni because you're paying the opportunity cost (not being von Karnstein, which itself is at 0 because the points it would cost are baked into the basic profile of the vampires). Same with ID Prophets for example. Doesn't mean 20 is the correct point cost for it, we'll see where it lands eventually. Just saying that simply putting it against heirloom is not quite right. (Of course Heirloom comes with opportunity costs itself, being special item budg…

I can't see how they could work on a 40x60 base with the restrictions that (i) the Knight itself needs to be less elite then a Questing Knight and (ii) the mount can't be better then the rider. And last but not least (iii) can't drop in points to the bottom of the barrel because it would be quite weird to have them be cheaper then lets say Men-at-arms. Thats quite a limit on the powerlevel for whats a Standard height cavalry on a large cavalry base. Note: me not being able to imagine it, doesn't…