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Quote from Ursa06: “HOLD ON! Since when does the Sentinel has 175 pts of manifestation allowance? ” Since this patch Don't have any clue why, i guess that it's to allow to take iron husk + other manifestations in order to make strixian viable ? but i'm not sure that it'll work

I second Ursa on this, we can agree that in this complexity reduction era it could be could to give up on the archetypes, but then at least make the cultist on 25*25 base and an option maybe 1ppm to be on 20*20 base ? Mostly played vanilla cultists and find that it's way better to pay more for the Res4 options if i should make a choice now, vanilla cultists (and Res3 archetypes) should be cheaper than now to make me consider them again

Quote from Ursa06: “I would really like for the altar to have a potentially different summoning "perk" than others. If the Cult Leader and the Altar get range buffs both it'll be a no-brainer. If one has range and the other has efficiency it will be a valid competition between the two. ” Good catch, but currently altar have efficiency but no range and no move, if the cult leader and the altar need to have different summoning abilities i would gladly prefer to have the better efficiency on the cu…

Quote from Metallo: “"who evokes and where evokes" I noticed that in the basic book there are 3 entries related to the summoning of demons, cult leader master ritual, abyssal Conduit, Ritual Altar are they enough to perform summons at radius 12? how did you find yourself? ” Ritual altar should deserve a bigger range to be really useful, currently it's more like a sitting duck in your line Cult leader with master of ritual is mandatory for me, so only one or two more summoning cultists are enough…

Quote from AlexCat: “Ok, guys, should we have a guessing contest, what are these two things that were design changed? First is obviously Greater Dominion but what is the second one? Your guesses? Those who have seen or heard something be gentlemen and keep it to yourselves). ” Based on the uproar it caused, i would be tempted to say courtesan but she's not unplayable or bad either, and recent stats don't show yet a drop in use... Strixian spirit was unused before, worse now, but didn't affect to…

Quote from Kaitin: “Quote from Happy Aspid: “Latex? May be at some point in the future I will be able to help. This thing looks close to my current line of work. ” Be aware: there's a huge list of conditions you have to sign to be allowed to help the project. ” Not that much Overall try to be nice, support the project, understand that others may have different point of view, don't interfere too much on other teams work if you're not supposed to, use and protect T9A IP, and don't leak what you ha…

Well, nerfing anything in the cultists book would be as simple as deleting the book at this point Usual lists for me are in the line of something like this : - Cult leader master + symbiote adept or Cult leader adept + 2 symbiote adept - one or two small core cultist pack to summon your deamons, sometimes a core cultist pack with hereditary to put your cult leader in - rest of core with a mix of lemures and succubis (imps and myrmidons are not worth it currently) - two max size possessed units a…

While i can understand and agree with the reactions of @AlexCat about replacing tillers by succubis and so on, i can see why @IoRi78 defend this idea... in this strange era of complexity reduction, anything that limit the number of profiles in the book is seen as a good step, but changing things like this would hurt balance a lot... If this kind of change really need to be done, then maybe a middle ground ? Choose one name (tiller or dardevil), give a single str4 ap1 attack and move all the stat…

Quote from Tanis: “One question for DL players, do you think that accurate to Hope Harvester and Eilodons is maybe a little bit broken, an autoinclude in all list? ” I wouldn't say that now these units are broken, more that now our shooting monster is worth taking for his shooting abilities and even if i really like it now, i still didn't play it once For the eidolons i find it worse than before because i don't want to field and invest much points in big units now because easier to catch, so if …

Quote from AlexCat: “We're having it again? "Fiends can't fight large units" marathon? ” Hey it was more than a week ago the last time ! And almost 10 pages back ! We can have another marathon Conclusion of the last time : with so many special choices and meta balance there is always some units more favored than other, so hard to tell that pickrate from 10% to 20% is too low, but clawed fiends required a small boost to make them competitive (like +1 off/def, or +1 agi, or strider, ...) Something…

SE aren't a new problem, they got some new tools but a SE shooting list was already a red match up before (welcome to my meta when you face them one time out of 4 for years :D) 10 Pathfinders well played before the update did 4 to 5 wounds at least to 2+ knights per shooting phase, so let's say 4 to KoE knights, that's nothing new Levies are an answer because huntsmen or kestrel will not kill them in one phase so you have time to countercharge, and if in a strange world he prefer to shoot at lev…

Here come a little batrep of one recent game with cultist versus SE Already had some feedbacks and tests from diffrents game but wanted to confirm some things Disclaimer : the cultist list i made was to try some concepts while the SE list is a tournament oriented one, so a hard game was expected Cultist list : (Hidden Content) SE list : (Hidden Content) So how did it goes ? As expected, my opponent chosed to take a -6 malus on deployment roll, so i choose my zone and he can deploy everything to …

Quote from AlexCat: “DL rosters from ETC2019 when DL were still cool. Caution, its a long read. (Hidden Content) These were season 2019 Fiends: 275/96 pts. Plumage 7. (Old) Broodmother 13. Unhinged Jaw 13. Old Piercing Spike (which gave +1Str/AP vs Arm 3 or better) 12. You can see the crazy popularity of the unit in the biggest, most prestigeous and competitive tourney in the world. Following this success, they were promptly gutted in the Nov2019 update: 275/105. Plumage 8. (Old) Broodmother 17.…

Clawed fiends in slim book : Move 10/20, off/deff5, str4 AP1 (AP2 in monotheist army), 3HP res4, agi 5, +1 to wound always, no scoring 220 points for first 2 models, 120 points per additional model, 700 points for unit of 6 Clawed fiends at LAB release : Move9/18, off/deff4, str4 AP2, 3HP res4, agi 4, +1 to hit and wound against large, scoring 285 points for first 3 models, 93 points per additional model, 564 for unit of 6 Clawed fiends now : Move9/18, off/deff4, str4 AP2, 3HP res4, agi 4, +1 to…

Quote from Alexwellace: “Can I ask you to expand upon your threshold of 18% pick rate to be a failure? And what % threshold you'd consider not a failure? Considering that DL is by design a fairly specified army, you tend to choose units for specific purposes. Which means there shouldn't be any "always include" units. And scoring wise many people load up on MSU core, eliminating the direct need for lots of non-core scoring. ” Are we sure about the usage of clawed fiends ? Can't find in any tablea…

Yeah i know this... just trying to shift things from the current situation (and because i quite dislike that every patch seems to push some DL units further on the specialist path...) If we really need to keep specialist units, then change smother to "+1 to hit the same height, ignore parry" (+1 to wound is ay too good) so we get almost the same succubis as before, but clawed fiends still something

Quote from Happy Aspid: “Quote from Desmoze: “Agree, at this point with the complexity reduction thing, we could simply remove totally smoother from the book and replace it by lighting reflex/paired weapons directly in the succubis/clawed fiends profile with some stats adjustements ” DL can't have actual weapons, so paired weapons can't be used. Still not sure, what was so hard with ignore parry rule. Hard to find anything more simple. ” I know that DL aren't suppose to have access to any weapon…

Quote from rolan: “Well, succubi were useful before, they had a role and did not overshade myrms, why did that have to change at all?Using BRB rules, it would be possible to write something like: succubi, OFF3, AT 2, +1 to-hit (standard Inf, large Inf) talon skythes (paired weapons) It would not be the only unit having natural weapons that are described as a weapon, fethis brutes for example have paired weapon rule, but that refers to their claws, not to their ability to wield weapons with speci…

Quote from Francesco Cacciatore: “Quote from AlexCat: “It's a fact. It was admitted by the Team. Data of usage is also quite clear on the matter. ” so it's a "fact" that a flying Master caster monster with r6 6 wounds and a 4+ ward save was bad? Ok, now i understand why I disagree with most decisions taken by the people in charge Honestly, it's kind of pointless to give any feedback here. This has become a cult (and not of the nice, daemonic persuasion). ” By saying that, i suppose then that you…

(Hidden Content) If you go first you can effectively summon up to 8 tokens of deamons, but in the first turn with 2 tokens you will not summon your chaff because it's doesn't help and you can't summon too big units, at the second turn you can start to summon big threats... that will be able to charge and really do anything by the third turn if they can still charge anything because your opponent still have his second turn to react to anything you've done I agree that's the design of the army and…