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Quote from sgu97bjd: “What do people think of the new hereditary? I like the duality of it but I worry that it is hard to balance the augment and hex elements with the same casting values. At the moment the orc version seems much stronger than the goblin version. Mostly this is due to the range, but also the orc effects are probably better as well. To be more precise, the augment can easily be cast on your ranged and close combat attacks. The hex at 18” is hard to cast on a combat unit before th…

I hope Wolves stay move9 with the shared profile. I like my fast wolves.. Maybe spiders will get bumped up to move9?

Its a bit sad to see the random moving gits disappearing. I see why they have gone to one use. (they were all basically one use anyways) But loss of army flavor will always come out a bit bland... Like many I am curious on what wrecking teams are gunna end up like. if they keep their current stats and have this rule, they would need a ridiculous point reduction. I'm talking 50% at least. I am already thinking of ways an opponent can just abuse this and just get free points and not risk anything …

don't get me wrong. im glad they put in a hotfix to make the book compatable. i might try a maw list, dispite all my minis being themed with the old metal deamonetts...

Any chance for a hotfix for legions of Lust? They relied on their Dominion... This new dominion brings absolutely nothing to the army. Dont get me started on how bad the Court. nerf is... should have been reduced by 150-200points not 20... Are they getting something to compensate for being severely over nerfed? (I talking legions of lust specifically).

When Legions was released I was acually excited to finally put my old demons together. I have played close to 20 games with them now and even though I thought my Lust demons were under powered ( only winning maybe 3 games) I liked the way they played and made me think. now however.. I know Legions is not getting an update for a bit but this update so far is quite disappointing... the Courtesan is the star of my list (mainly for the fantastic models i have). i always thought she was good on paper…

Quote from Alexwellace: “Just to give everyone a heads up! Starting work on the bug fixes and layout changes, to make sure that everything we had is ship-shape before we start taking into account any of the upcoming changes to Daemon Legions, so if you've got any gripes, bugs or rule inconsistencies you've noticed, throw them out here! And for transparencies sake, Mono-Sin was an alpha project when it came out, and definitely took some chances on things that we wanted the community to play test …

Hey quick question. Is there any reason why Sirens are 22points for extra models where in the DL Book they are 18?. Not a huge deal it just looked odd to me. Sorry if this has been covered already Thank you.

The current " complexity budget" system is totally flawed to begin with. I get the need of having some limits but the current system does not allow enough room for armies to have unique flavorful rules and units. I don't get the mentality of "we need to cut one things so we can add another". Its like going to a ice cream sundae bar but some one is there slapping you hand when you want a second topping. sure you still get ice cream but it could have been better, If I had my way I would double/tri…

Maybe an new idea? (if not I'm sorry) What if BTF was more of a token based system? Something like KoE but its own thing. This might be more complex, but I do not think that's an issue in 9th. (9th is sooo much less in complexity than other similar game systems). An example All units start with one token ( as they are all revved up and ready for battle) some units could even start with more ( eadbashers, items, characters, etc...) this could also just have a BTF token stat in their profile. this…

I was not expecting a suggestion I made (most likley not original) too acually be used!. The goblin king boost is a great way to fix them the points drops, I thought were a bit odd, but seeing that most books got the same treatment it makes more sense. I think this update will make a lot of players happy. i am definitely more exited to get a few games in. both with my orc list and my goblins.

there the was a time when taking shields would make you lose light troops, ect.. something like that would be neat to see

A long time ago I proposed a up a "Mob Em!! idea. Basically the idea was that most Orcs don't fight in a formation. Its more of a unruly mob. so when they fight in combat they are all trying to "get in der". Rules wise they would lose rank bonuses to combat res but gained the rule "Get in there!" What that did was when fighting a unit in the front arc only, (kinda like spears) any models NOT in Base (including the supporting attacks behind them) can still make their attacks against the enemy uni…

i think we need to expand the arbitrary complexity limit so that we dont need to sacrifice anything. KoA did. now their book is almost double the complexity of the O&G book. the talk of "we need to cut down on the fun a fluffy rules so we can have other more competitve rules" shouldent even need to exist. why cant there be both? I would much rather have a 50 page amy book than a over bleached 30 page book.

Quote from berti: “Why should there be a distinction beetween 3 tribes of goblins. You can use every model you like for anything. So in my opinion having separate rules for cave goblins, common goblins and forest goblins makes little sense. Just implement some goblin tricks, like nets or poison on weapons on top of the basic goblin profile. Of course making it necxessary to add a representing model to the unit to see the "trick" the unit has. Different mounts (spiders/wolfs) also don´t need to h…

If i would start anywhere its doubling or even tripling the so called "complexity budget". Give the army some room to develop flavoursome units and rules without a word limit or fear of it being to compex. then slim down only if necessary. from there we can begin to work on some guidelines and really get to work. i don't think there should be any scrapping of current unique units. that will only drive veteren hobbiests away. the LAB should be used as an opportunity to expand on what we have, and…

Quote from Gingersmali: “Quote from SkargitCrookfang: “I do not accept the rules team saying the dis9 goblin king is out of scope. ” AFIAK they haven't said this. We will feedback the committees opinions (all goblin player just would like disp 9 back), and see what happens. @Phoenix5 This would be your suggestion? Crown of the Cavern King All models in the bearer’s unit that have at least one model part of the Greenhide Races Common Goblin, Cave Goblin, or Forest Goblin gain Feigned Flight and V…

Quote from Gingersmali: “Option 1 - simple (disp 9) Crown of the Cavern King Cannot be taken by models with Towering Presence. All models in the bearer’s unit that have at least one model part of the Greenhide Races Common Goblin, Cave Goblin, or Forest Goblin gain Feigned Flight and Vanguard. If the bearer is a Common Goblin, Cave Goblin, or Forest Goblin, the range of its Commanding Presence it gains +1 Discipline and the range of its Rally Around the Flag (if avail- able) is increased by 6 ” …

Quote from sgu97bjd: “Quote from slivek: “because it would be basically same "design change in balance update" but used as cover up for previous one Lets consider briefly options: 1. Drop cavern king, put autocracy instead: its basically asking for revert but just our army and we lose other item. Neither rt is happy (removal of autocracy not successful from one of armies), nor commmunity fully (we lost cavern king item some were liking and using). 2. Change cavern king to incorporate +1 dis inst…

Goblins only Fluff wise, this is how I see Discipline in O&Gs Goblins -Regular goblins are a bit unruly and skittish however they can be surprisingly clever and nasty. their leaders are normally the biggest nastiest but more importantly, the cleverest. Orcs -Orcs are unruly, brutal and fearless in numbers. Their leaders are the loudest, biggest, strongest the most brutal. I don't see why goblins "have" to have lower Dis on their leaders. we are talking about a race that can lead armies and win a…