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Must admit, the Architect only makes it into my Terracotta list. Pharaoh, Architect + 22 Tomb Guard. The 5++ is sort of worth it in this build but not tempted to extend usage elsewhere.

Quote from Sander: “Thanks for the explanation and even more for the deepdive into the data you guys did. On the marksmen: i always like the view of ge dwarves with xbows in core. 2x25 plus a small dart is back maybe? ” x 2. Thanks for everything !

Agree re Deep Watch. Kings Guard not so sure tbh, Whilst I agree re External Balance I can't but wonder as to inclusion of same in lieu of 1 of my Hold Guardian units ie Internal Balance. Will definitely give them an outing but as a long term replacement I honestly don’t know.

You do have to Laugh !!!! I have 4 main DH lists (a) My normal - Non Magic (b) MSU (c) Gunline (d) Full Copter. So My Normal Non Magic List. TWO YEARS AGO.... 4500pts exactly King on Throne, 30 Spear Dwarves, 12 Greybeards. 12 Marksmen with CBs 12 Marksmen with CBs 6 Hold Guardians 6 Hold Guardians 12 Rangers ( close order ) 9 Rangers ( Crag Wardens ) 10 Seekers ( Skirmish ) 2 Runic Cannon. Came down LAST YEAR a total of 74 pts. Nett Change Replaced CBs on Marksmen with GCHG on both units for 72…

Quote from hammerhand48: “I have the answer to all of the problems. Just add the Titanopod to the slim, adjust the unit points to reflect 18 months of point reductions, delete the current LAB from existence and just go back to playing the game. Problem solved. Not being sarcastic or joking. This is literally the answer. The LAB in its current form is just a bad and uninteresting version of the slim anyways might as well just go back to the starting point. ” I agree completely. The ' new ' versio…

Changes ( with present details ) appear more than fair imho.

Sounds like a tough game... Tbh, not sure that your magic setup is right for an all Rounder list. Lately I have been using.... Nomarch on Sha...Wizards Crown. Master Cosmo on Ark Adept Div / Evo Essence of a Free Mind on Ark. The ability to vary your magic due to Wizards Crown and Essence v your opponents army is imho quite good. Whilst the Adept normally uses Div against the EoS list you faced the option to go.... Unity, Touch the Heart, Whispers & Hasten the Hour would be hard to turn down esp…

My UD v SE. Nomarch on Sha Guardian. DCH Master on Ark DCH Adept on Ark 6 Legion Chariots 6 Legion Chariots 10 Scouts 10 Scouts 4 Gt Vultures 3 Cataphracts 3 Cataphracts Battle Sphinx Battle Sphinx Won 12...8 ( down 422 vps but won Objective ). MVP.....Nothing Really ( everybody did their job ) but maybe Scouts + Nomarch on Sha. LVP......Nothing Really ( everybody did their job ) but maybe Vultures.

Tbh, the Pharaoh on a Horse would be my biggest worry ! Dodgy to say the least.

Must admit that I have spent the last 90 minutes or so comparing both lists. Feel that the Cavalry list is slight favourite. Magic is equal but Sicks list doesn't have enough Bows to delete ( one shot ) opponents chaff so will have difficulty choosing combats ?

Thanks for the Heads up. Probably will keep my money in my pocket as it would just not " match in " with my other models. Many thanks anyway.

My 2 lists ( if anybody is interested ) Both 4498pts. Non Magical King, Throne, Ancestral Memory, Holdstone ........ Craftmanship, 2 x Lightning. ........ Resistance, Iron, Forge. ........ 3 x Shielding. 30 x Warrior, Spear, Sh, FCG. 12 x Greybeards TWs Sh, Mus 12 x Marksman, GCHG, Sh, Mus 12 x Marksman, GCHG, Sh, Mus 12 x Rangers, CBs, Sh, Mus. 9 x Rangers, CBs, Sh, Crag Wardens. 10 x Seekers, Vanguard, Brothers of Vengeance, 6 x Hold Guardians, FCG, Standard of the Hold. 6 x Hold Guardians, FC…

Quote from Dain_II: “Quote from wombat: “Quote from It is Flo: “Someone send @Ipower the Memo, that avoidance is dead before he Wins all his games ... ” laughing....it is possible that I will be playing Colin with my DH on the 17th, Wish me luck...boy will I need some ! ” Hope you packed Forge Wardens! ” The present proposal is that there will be a get together ( of about 8 of us - including 5 ? Of the ETC team) on the 15th for final practice games. It will be up to the ETC players to chose whic…

Quote from It is Flo: “Someone send @Ipower the Memo, that avoidance is dead before he Wins all his games ... ” laughing....it is possible that I will be playing Colin with my DH on the 15th, Wish me luck...boy will I need some !

Quote from Raistlin: “Quote from wombat: “Basically yes that is imho a serious problem. But one must also consider the over reliance on Caiman. Basically every list has them. I dread to think what will happen to the overall balance of the book if " Data " shows an apparent Nurf is required, ” I don't really get why you think that there is an over reliance on Caimans? Looking at the ETC lists, Caiman Elder have a pickrate of around 40% and core caimans around 60% That doesn't look like they are a…

Quote from It is Flo: “@wombat: For me that would translate into: - I dont see Guerrilla play as viable - I don't see Dinoplaystyle as viable @sonny1086: The usable feedback For me would in that case be: It falls a role we dont need because we have so many redirectors ” Basically yes that is imho a serious problem. But one must also consider the over reliance on Caiman. Basically every list has them. I dread to think what will happen to the overall balance of the book if " Data " shows an appare…

Quote from Bretboy84: “Quote from wombat: “I have to agree with Reconquer Designs on this one. Let's face it...if you are going to " tease " prospective customers with a " look how good we are " leak I am sure that they would use a good angle. In my honest opinion that figure just sucks ! ” Its just your opinion. Its better than nothing. As i said for Reconquer Design, make better. ” Your right - it is only my opinion ( but I have been collecting Wargame figures since 1972 so by now have a fairl…

Imho ( if I am wrong - apologies ) it was that the idea behind any LAB to make 3 viable playing styles was it not. With the " New " book that is a complete failure as tbh there is only 1 working option. To be quite frank I would rather just have the " Old " book back ! The " New " book has lost soo Much SA feel ( to me ) that it just has no appeal whatsoever. The over reliance on Caimans is particularly bad.

I have to agree with Reconquer Designs on this one. Let's face it...if you are going to " tease " prospective customers with a " look how good we are " leak I am sure that they would use a good angle. In my honest opinion that figure just sucks !

Quote from casper h: “How and what characters would you use against another DH player that likes heavy shooting lists? ” In a mirror Match I would just go with my usual King on Throne. That's it ! King, 780pts. ........ Throne, Ancestral Memory, Holdstone, ........ Craftmanship, 2 x Lightning, ........ Resistance, Iron, Forge, ........ 3 x Shielding. Attached to a 12 fig unit ( most likely Greybeards ) with intention to operate as a Lone Wolf.