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i vote for right!
not sure if because i positively like it more, or because i'm a bit negative towards the pentagram, tho
the one on the right would be good for nordic dwarfs. The other two look more fitting with Kegiz Gavem. I like the middle one as a symbol for a solar cult.
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Confirm, the one on the right is not for Ethiopia dwarves, looks too much like the Pan-Slavic Pagan symbol.GHAÂAÂAÂARN ! — The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young
First T9A player in West Africa
Test with the sun door, replacing it can be done in minutes if needed at this stage.
I would rule out the one on the left, which I feel too close to real world Ethiopian sigil.
Voting for the center one.
It is directly taken from the official flag. The image is public domain and legal to use.
If not used for the door, then the first design will be used for the MK2 version of the pillar. I want to align it to the house in style and I think it will make a perfect base.
Most likely for the same reason I picked it. That is design that took a while to distill and as such it has a decent quality standard and depictions for inspiration are readily available. While it might be too direct in the first, it was added more playful in the second (which is a combination of 3 existing icons and a bit added by myself). I am not a graphic designer. I do make sure that I do not infringe. That does not mean that I do not give it a go, I made a few sketches of smaller icons and ancestor icons that I draw inspiration from. This may grow over time. With the 3 symbols shown , I hope that grows into a sheet with hundreds of icons and design patterns ready to pick and use. Not just for myself, for all interested. I am not going to pay someone for a svg file of an icon someone carved into a rock thousands of years ago. Not because I am cheap, I want to build a library of designs anyone can use fast. If I pay then the next person wanting to use that symbol has to pay as well. That means that I will make sure that all designs are legal, this is why I sometimes bring it up.
From my point of view it is simple, To visualize a world build by stone masons with a religious message, I want to define how they pass on the teachings of the light. Use that and incorporate it into architecture, daily items and gear. It will be a bit focused to make a point and get a style I like. Is that Kegiz Gavem? No, it is just my interpretation and I will ask for feedback to not go too far.
I save the designs regularly and can go back to change things if needed, all not a problem with digital.
And if it is only hinted at inspiration and then pasting a dwarf on top, that is boring and in my opinion not what exploring Africa should be about. Personal opinion of course and in no way limiting my support to work on digital designs for Kegiz Gavem.
I started thinking of KG as DH, then there was the auxiliary discussion and I think ID could be fun as well. The way T9A will break the mold for races to be IP safe gives us a chance to have fun, with the proper respect for the source material of course. I still have no idea where this journey is going and that is part of the excitement. But I know that I want it to represent Africa a bit more than I want it will look like a classical dwarf. Not just weapons and stuff.
Of course it should not be copy paste either. let it spiral for a while and in the end hopefully a good concept emerges.
EDIT: Upon checking my sources, the sun wheel I used is an ancient symbol, but it seems the Nazis renamed it black sun and used it as well. I think that I will purge it from my file or it needs heavy alterations to stay in.
I apologize for adding it to the list of options, I will change all images later on and either rework it or remove it altogether.
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Sun wheel fixed, it is now a nautical wheel fitting the KG theme, I also changed sizes and added the Web of Wyrd. I will need to go add some Ge'ez and I will probably add nordic runes as well, that's for the weekend though. I hope this grows over time and builds a nice menu for me to pick from.
I'm digging the new symbol.
When trying to add text to anything I always face the issue of translation and not just smacking signs into the stone.
A proposal for a fantasy language inspired by old Elder Futhark, Sabean runes and Ge’ez that is easy to use when making texts and has zero chance offending anyone by making up words and text that might have a real life meaning/context. I am not a linguist, simple solutions work best for technical problems so this is a technical solution inspired by the history of Ge’ez.
The current written Ethiopian languages originate from elsewhere, at a point in time Ge’ez derived from Sabean runes and skipped vowels. The writing of early Ge’ez was done in boustrophedon, which is writing in alternate lines in opposite directions, as from left to right and then from right to left on the next line, and then left to right on the next line, and so on. Practically my proposal is a syntax of 21 consonants which will be directly translated to the consonants of modern English. Easy to write, keep a level of consistency and avoid gibberish.
Very simply said it was easier to hammer straight lines into stones and the combination of lines you can hammer into stone is limited. That is why many symbols will occur in different written languages with no real link between the same characters and it’s use.
Here is an overview in images:
What we know as dwarven runes is probably Elder Futhark.
This is the transition from Sabean to Ge’ez.
Officially linked inspiration for Kegiz Gavem Runes, this is the modern alphabet.
Now to connect this to Kegiz Gavem history: The dwarves in the Saurian slave mines would not exclusively have been dwarves. What if the mines were being operated by another unspecified people before the dwarves were brought to these silver mines.
The dwarves would not be able to communicate at first and for safety in mines they had to develop a common language. This is how the runes and the other language melted into a new language. If the others initially outnumbered the dwarves, then their runes/characters would be more prevalent. The Saurians found the dwarves to be of sturdier stock and cranked up the production quota of the mines resulting in the extinction of other races working in the mines. In the days of Dhuraz when the mines collapsed and freedom was gained, those that survive were nearly exclusively dwarves. There were some others that either went home or stayed with the Kegiz Gavem.
As a result modern Kegiz Gavem are an open society willing to teach the wisdom of light to anyone interested and actively branching out to neighboring nations (maybe except Saurians). Due to the new language no longer being able to constrain magic in runes, the Kegiz Gavem adopted the direct use of magic.
Ok, so what do I plan to do with it? To spread their teachings and to record their history and wisdom the Kegiz Gavem set up a geomantic web of stone pillars full of written knowledge to enlighten and remind people of the Faith of Dhuraz. This is based on the Ezana Stone, such structures are a common thing in many cultures. Furthermore due to a lack of underground walls with them now being surface dwellers and worshipping the light, these walls record history. This follows the lines of the homebrew book and a language with rules will allow making those riddles real.
This does not mean that any derived Ge’ez based runes will be meaningless or can’t be used. I just want to define old Kegiz Gavem writing. The use of which would be similar to Latin for a religion. While the language itself is dead and many different modern languages replaced it, it survives in religious use and is still used in that capacity. Scholars learn and use it.
So before I butcher a language, what do you all think?
I am almost done with the old Ge’ez runes for fast use in Blender as a typeset(19 done so far), I want to skip/remove a few of the too complicated ones and replace them with runes that appear both in Elder Futhark and Sabean. Then a final set of 21 will be matched to consonants of modern English and a translation table/app will be provided. I am not sure about the app, I want to keep it interesting to decipher with a bit of effort. But I will want it for faster translation.
I would love to see that, and the explanations are great.
This said, the more detailed we get the less compatible with future official fluff. No need to overthink at this stage.
My aim is just to make my life easier, got to decorate the house somehow.
Speaking of decoration, since my laptop can't handle it as a stamp, this will be yet another side project:
Some writing around it and it can go onto a stone slab or the wall once it is proper 3D.
It needs a bit more line-work and I am not sure about the spike on top. The T9A world has only one moon, right?
The halo disc will be a bit less to focus on the head. This is 1:1 drawn from the image by @Karak Norn Clansman whom I forgot to credit last time. One block extra at the sides and a wider square frame make it look much bigger. Next one will need one of those complicated KNC frames.
As usual still some work left but not that much. I might even use this as my first video attempt because it will be done first. Once the image is 3D and I add it onto rock/stone slab, sculpting should be super fast (if my poor laptop can manage).
An update report with some design choices:
Progress is good, this is a lot of fiddly work where I try to cheat an algorithm. Maybe 1 or 2 more evenings, this is the same process I used to make the ancestor icons, just way way more work.
I reminded myself that I am not redesigning artwork made by others, I see my task more as interpretation and asking questions to refine ideas. I turned the thingy above the halo into a miner's crown. A simpler halo is more effective to focus the eye. Other than that, it will be pretty much the same.
This is a good learning experience for me and it showed a potential issue and solution to how I want to work with assets.
The current size is to fill a 45x45mm space on a wall and then add a lot of text (the riddles). So in miniature scale this will be wall filing to be paintable.
Just a mock up, but medallion of Dhuraz anyone?
Think a big rune left and right, fancy edge on the side of the disk.
EDIT: this is not a plug to sell. If you want this, you can have the file to print for free. I just want to know if you would like this kind of gimmick.
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