We are coming from ID Prophet carrying the Golden Idol of Shamut at Infernal Dwarves LAB FAQ. I will copy the discussion here, but basically it turned into a discussion of the rules and whether they contradict each other or not.
Last sentence I consider it key: Now. I never found in BRB statement that for instance Suit of Armour not applies to model (actually it doesn't state anything related to statline). Same for movement related enchantments...
No, mounted models are not affected:
19.B.3 Global and Defensive Characteristics
The Multipart Model has a single set of Global Characteristics and a single set of Defensive Characteristics. Always use the values in the mount’s profile, except when that value is “C”.
22.B.b Who is Affected
Special Items may affect different targets:
• The wielder, wearer, or bearer: these terms mean the same thing for rules purposes and refer to the model part the Special Item was bought for (and don’t affect its mount).
Excuse me if I am too thick, but I see those 2 rules contradict each other.
By 29.B.3, you agree with me, that the Prophet on a Kadim Chariot has a single set of Global Characteristic and the blue text says to use this mount's profile, which 6/6" for Advance and March Rates. And they are not defined by "C", so I think my assumption is right.
Now I equip this Prophet with the Idol of Shamut, which talks about the bearer. By 22.B.b, the blue text says it does not affect the mount. However, the Global Characteristic profile of the Prophet has been overriden. It's not the original Global Characteristic of the Prophet; it is not the original Global Characteristic of the Chariot; how I see it, it is a combination of both. But still, by 29.B.3, there is only a single set of Global Characteristic.
How I see 22.B.b making a difference is when the special item is when it modifies the set of Offensive Characteristics. Which in this case, there are 2 of them (Prophet, Chariot). Now there I see that 22.B.b wouldn't affect the mount. But for the previous case... I do really not see it clear.
I bet you have had these kind of discussions during assembly of all rules, but I find them contradicting; or at least, working in "my favour" and allowing the 6/12".
I don't think they are.
You have one model part, the prophet, with Adv 3" and Mar 9".
And you have another model part, the chariot, with Adv 6" and Mar 6".
Now you buy the golden idol for the prophet (not for his chariot), and you modify his Adv to 4" and his Mar to 12".
19.B.3 tells us not to use the character's values (4/12) but the mount's (6/6), so the movement modifiers from the idol don't have any effect on mounted characters (unless the mount's Adv/Mar values would say "C")
Alright, I can only convince myself if my interpretation of 3.A.b is the same as yours, which was not the way I was considering it.
The way I was interpreting it before is that now the multi-part model will have several offensive profiles, but just one movement and defensive. These last 2 tend to be a modification of the mount's profiles, but are in no case the mount's profile. It is a new combined profile which is part of the multi-part model. Which makes sense with 19.B.3 (you quoted it earlier).
The way I have to interpret it to follow your understanding would be that there are still different hidden global and defensive profiles for the every part of the multi-part model (ignoring 19.B.3?), but you can only use the mount's global and defensive profiles (even when they are modified/combined, they are considered the mount's), and then continuing with 3.A.b:
And then I could agree that the great idol of Shamut grants no further benefit to the advance and march.
I hope you understand my reasoning, I am not trying to use that in my advantage. I just think now that it could be twisted and interpreted it "my way". Please correct me where I am wrong.
@Eisenheinrich @Arturiki is pointing to valid thing: in other place it is stated clear in BRB that multi-part model being character+mount has only merged characteristics. There is no 'Prophet' with 4"/12" and 'Chariot' with 6"/6". There is whole model with 6"/6". This way referring to model part is irrelevant for attributes not related to Offensive Profile.
Here it is stated that you rewrite some stuff from Character to mount profile when there is 'C' reference:
But here it is stated that model has only one set of stats:19.B.3 Global and Defensive Characteristics
The Multipart Model has a single set of Global Characteristics and a single set of Defensive Characteristics. Always use
the values in the mount’s profile, except when that value is “C”. In this case, “C” refers to the value in the Character’s
profile which is used instead. Sometimes, a value is written as “C + X”. In this case, use the Character’s value, increased
For example, if a Character (Armour 0) rides a horse (Armour C + 2), wears Heavy Armour (+2 Armour), and carries
a Shield (+1 Armour), the Multipart Model has an Armour equal to: 0 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 5.
Now. I never found in BRB statement that for instance Suit of Armour not applies to model (actually it doesn't state anything related to statline). Same for movementrelated enchantments...8.D.c Unit Entries with Multipart Models
The examples above show entries of units with models consisting of a single model part, but there are also many
Multipart Models in the game (see “Multipart Models”, page 7). The unit entry of a Character Mount, the Winged
Monkey Chariot from the example in figure 16, will be used to explain the particularities of this type of unit entry.
Winged Monkey Chariot
Figure 16: Unit entry of a Multipart Model.0–1 Mounts/Army
Base 50×100 mm
Global Adv Mar Dis Model Rules
C Fly (9″, 9″), Light Troops, Swiftstride
Defensive HP Def Res Arm
4 C 4 C+1 Hard Target (1)
Offensive Att Off Str AP Agi
Crew (2) 1 4 3 0 5 Light Lance
Winged Monkey (2) 2 4 4 1 4 Harnessed, Hatred
Chassis 5 2 Impact Hits (D6), Inanimate
a) Like for any other unit entry, there may be restrictions on the number of Character Mounts that can be part of an
army. In the example above, the army may only contain up to a single Character, regardless of the type, on a Winged
Monkey Chariot. This restriction only applies to Character mounts, so if an Army Book contains the Character mount
additionally as a unit in another Army Category, you are allowed to take this unit in addition to the Character mount
in your army.
b) In case of a Multipart Model Character, many of a model’s Characteristic values will be determined by the mount’s
Characteristics, unless they are marked with “C” or “C+X” in the mount’s profile (see “Special Cases of Characteristic
Values”, page 15), which refers to the value in the Character’s profile. In this example, the mount does not have a
proper Discipline Value, but the Multipart Model uses the Character’s Discipline, which is 8.
c) Models consisting of a single model part have one Global, Defensive, and Offensive Profile each. Multipart Models
also have one Global and Defensive Profile each, which apply to the entire Multipart Model. However, they do have a
separate Offensive Profile for each identical model part. The mount above has 5 model parts: 2 Crew members and 2
Winged Monkey’s (as indicated by the “2” in brackets) and a Chassis, which all have their own Offensive Profile.
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