SE Warmachines

Vulgarsty · Feb 21st 2021, 2:20pm

I know warmachines are not part of our design - and the idea of an SE catapult or cannon seems unfluffy and wrong - but the new Illumineth bolt thrower got my thinking - its basically a bigger bow, lightweight and in green and woodtones would look pretty fluffy - a longish range 36”? maybe S5 but with AP and D3 multi wound capability - with move and shoot cos its so lightweight. Would that not be a fit?

Also treemen chucking a rock - functionally its a shorter range stonethrower, but making a supply of rocks available for a price might be interesting and future proof us for a potential siege supplement - when every faction will need something capable of bringing long range hurt to walls and gates regardless of their usual play style. Thoughts?

Art_of_War · Feb 21st 2021, 6:15pm

The new Lumineth bolt thrower is an Interesting model but doesn't fit to Sylvan Elves in my opinion. Besides I think Lumineth Aelves have much more in common with High Elves.

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Also treemen chucking a rock - functionally its a shorter range stonethrower, but making a supply of rocks available for a price might be interesting and future proof us for a potential siege supplement - when every faction will need something capable of bringing long range hurt to walls and gates regardless of their usual play style. Thoughts?

This is a very cool idea... it reminds me of the scene in "Lord of the Rings - The two Towers" when the Ents attack Isengard by throwing rocks at the defending orcs. Of course it would make Treefathers more expensive.

Vulgarsty · Feb 21st 2021, 8:02pm

oh yeah. It would add substantially to the cost - but not the base cost. A pile of suitable rocks would be a rare and expensive commodity in the forest so I’d expect to a pay a premium for the upgrade - both for the extra utility that SE dont expect, and the fact it is a dual use model

Cultivator · Feb 21st 2021, 8:52pm

Wow, went to look at the models you're talking about and it's crazy to see GW still pricing as if they're the only ones making nice models. $120nz for 5 cavalry models ?! You can buy the stls for cavalry just as good for $15 and print them for 20c each. Insane.

Back on topic, I don't think it's about could you justify SE having heavy weapons with fluff, but rather separating the different factions playstyle by limiting capabilities. Mobile bolt thrower would be looking a lot like DE.

Hachiman Taro · Feb 21st 2021, 9:52pm

The Treeman rock throwing idea has come up before, and I think is fairly likely to be discussed when our new army book gets made.

Falco · Feb 21st 2021, 10:00pm

Totally no
As I don’t want dwarves or vermins with cavalry I don’t want SE be able to have warmachines neither.
Each army has a style, which is more or less, unique, if all the armies are able to take all, we will have the same army with different models.

Focus on mobile light shooting and maybe magical bows for heroes can do things like boltthrowers... also thickets could have bows (like shabtis for example)

Vulgarsty · Feb 21st 2021, 10:07pm

Falco wrote:

Totally no
As I don’t want dwarves or vermins with cavalry I don’t want SE be able to have warmachines neither.
Each army has a style, which is more or less, unique, if all the armies are able to take all, we will have the same army with different models.

Focus on mobile light shooting and maybe magical bows for heroes can do things like boltthrowers... also thickets could have bows (like shabtis for example)

I completely agree with the differentiation point - otherwise we are back to chess - or even worse - Napoleonics.

I was just thinking that this design with that kind of profile isnt really a proper warmachine, its a more of a halfway house - more “squad automatic” rather than divisional artillery. The mantic bolt thrower also looks similarly lightweight compared with what you expect HBE, DE, OnG etc to field.

Hachiman Taro · Feb 21st 2021, 11:35pm

Trees throwing rocks just feels cooler to me. And actually scary magic bows for characters. Or even thickets with big bows.

I get where you are coming from tho. Just has to feel right.

theunwantedbeing · Feb 22nd 2021, 12:09am

Some sort of "Sapling Bow" with a 30" range that works like a bolt thrower, but you can move and shoot with it and we perhaps give it Quick to Fire as well?

Hachiman Taro · Feb 22nd 2021, 12:35am

The main thing with that is to get the project to look at magic bows more as our 'warmachine' category, instead of as magic items I think.

Cultivator · Feb 22nd 2021, 12:52am

I'm under the impression the magical bows SE get now used to be better but got nerfed?

Stygian · Feb 22nd 2021, 1:40am

Good ideas here. I'm in the magic bows as WMs camp, but I like the rock throwing idea a lot.

Also I wouldn't mind a sniper option again.

Vulgarsty · Feb 22nd 2021, 1:52am

theunwantedbeing wrote:

Some sort of "Sapling Bow" with a 30" range that works like a bolt thrower, but you can move and shoot with it and we perhaps give it Quick to Fire as well?

how about seeing it as a unit upgrade like a weapons team - not a war machine. Its lightweight and man portable and keep up with the unit but something the unit takes to deal with something a bit tougher/armoured/multi wound.

The SAW or AT team for a squad/platoon - A bit like a Gastrophites, but on a light frame, not fired as a belly-bow

skipschnit · Feb 22nd 2021, 2:13am

Vulgarsty wrote:

theunwantedbeing wrote:

Some sort of "Sapling Bow" with a 30" range that works like a bolt thrower, but you can move and shoot with it and we perhaps give it Quick to Fire as well?

how about seeing it as a unit upgrade like a weapons team - not a war machine. Its lightweight and man portable and keep up with the unit but something the unit takes to deal with something a bit tougher/armoured/multi wound.
The SAW or AT team for a squad/platoon - A bit like a Gastrophites, but on a light frame, not fired as a belly-bow

How about just playing with the Sylvan Giant? Just sayin’.

Vulgarsty · Feb 22nd 2021, 9:56am

Thats not a bad thought. I think he is tailor made for my old Orion model, with his spear as the “Sapling bow”

I guess it good also work as a sort of treefather skittling opponents with boulders - but his stats are a bit different.

I guess it admits the fact that SE do have a warmachine function of sorts.

Art_of_War · Feb 22nd 2021, 11:07am

These are some great ideas to get heavy shooting options for SE...

Concerning the treefather "catapult": I think that the stats of a regular Treefather are more suitable for using him mainly as a close combat unit. Maybe it would be a better option to give this feature to the Treefather Ancient. A shooting Treefather Ancient (without any magic) could become an alternative to the existing Treefather in the special section of the book.

setrius · Feb 22nd 2021, 11:23am

I kind of fungus or spore attacks (toxic attacks)

Maybe the possibility to have chariots like the old editions had.

That is all

Vulgarsty · Feb 22nd 2021, 1:09pm

Ooh, I would like a chariot...

skipschnit · Feb 22nd 2021, 2:52pm

Vulgarsty wrote:

Thats not a bad thought. I think he is tailor made for my old Orion model, with his spear as the “Sapling bow”

I guess it good also work as a sort of treefather skittling opponents with boulders - but his stats are a bit different.

I guess it admits the fact that SE do have a warmachine function of sorts.

Good point! I’ve wondered what I could use mine for as well.

Kdownunder · Feb 22nd 2021, 5:11pm

For me the treemen with boulders and heroes with magical bows are ok but that's pretty much where I draw the line. Lack of warmachines has to include tools to take out those of what opponent has.

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