Are you motivated to play with the new VS book?

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  • DanT wrote:

    Me and you are obviously getting very different feedback on DE ;) :P
    A reason might be the probably different focus points we set ;) During and after playtesting DE I was quite active in respective topics, basically spending all my forum time therearound.

    But it seems we agree on DL - even though I must admit I have not followed all those discussions that closely...
  • Lagerlof wrote:

    Bulls Eye wrote:

    curious how manny positive/negative reactions are from people who play VS as (one of) there main army, and how many from none VS players.

    Somehow i think i can predict the outcome.
    Well I have VS as one of my two main armies. Was your prediction correct?
    i am aware that you are a VS player. So yes i calculated you in. I think my prediction would be spot on.
  • Bulls Eye wrote:

    i am aware that you are a VS player. So yes i calculated you in. I think my prediction would be spot on.
    So you're saying it's the non-VS players that dont't like the book?

    (This is why speaking in riddles on a forum is never a good idea...)
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  • Lagerlof wrote:

    Bulls Eye wrote:

    i am aware that you are a VS player. So yes i calculated you in. I think my prediction would be spot on.
    So you're saying it's the non-VS players that dont't like the book?
    (This is why speaking in riddles on a forum is never a good idea...)
    Sight... no i didn't think this (as you guessed correctly). I think there are VS players who are happy with the new book (i to like parts of it). I just think there are a lot of players here who are happy but don't play the army. (And just to spell it out for you. Look at a player tagg and on which sub forum these players are active....it reveals a lot).
  • Eldan wrote:

    Sure, let's only ask the tournament guys again. Data obviously diesn't count if it's not from a tourney. Just like balance.
    There are general threads for reporting games in every army forum and the new(ish) non discussion threads.

    I am on your side that we have to make sure we don't just rely on tournaments (and even then teams vs singles is different) and the more general threads do help with that even if it's less measurable.
  • Lagerlof wrote:

    Jarec wrote:

    Also, how many were there just as yes-men, to give their positive vibes? As in, if the book was made to the specifics of the more critical people here, how many of the same positive people would still be there to say the book is good and kudos to the team?
    Did you just compare us to russian bot accounts? xD
    Lol how silly hahaha... *hides user gallery*
  • Davian wrote:

    BlackLancer wrote:

    If existing players are nearly universally saying that the book has problems, maybe we should listen to them?
    (not specifically directed to Black Lancer but at the argument presented)
    I just spent 30 minutes re-reading this thread, until post #369, from the beginning and counted how many people answered "yes/no" on the OP question.

    I only counted uique entries, so people like arwaker or rolan are only counted once :)

    Positive replies: 20
    Negative replies: 19

    This will probably come as a surprise for some people. I might have miscounted somewhere but that won't change the point. Which is that the amount of people not liking this book is not nearly universal. They are not in vast majority. They are not even in majority in this thread.
    Apologies for using an inaccurate term when I said the "vast majority" of existing new players feel negative about the book. A more accurate statement would have been "a sizeable portion of existing players feel negative about the book."

    -The difference is subtle, but sure it matters. In my unscientific observations, it felt like more existing VS players were negative, whereas non-VS players thought it was cool (possibly because they have never tried to play it!). To be clear, there is obviously some selection-bias happening here. Folks who are super happy about the book are less likely to come on to an internet forum and complain. (Even though we are all a bunch of nerds who are already registered here, so maybe that lessens the selection-bias a little, but it will certainly be there).

    Even in my local group a lot of non-VS book thought the book was super cool and had a fun theme. (People really like the idea of the horde!). However, after playing a couple of games against me, they all agree that at this point none of them would want this army on their team for a tournament. Its just too matchup dependent and there are so many ways for things to go wrong.

    In any case... For me personally, I am not especially worried about the theme, I kinda think it is cool. I am more worried about the execution and how the army plays on the tabletop. After all, its still alpha so I hope that means there is time to fix some things. And even if it is not the "vast majority" I would suggest that it is generally a bad thing for the game that so many people are unhappy with the book. That's not a good thing for the game and hopefully something that can be fixed.

    I've given my thoughts on the somewhat boring list building and volatile nature of the army, so I hope that helps in some way. - But the point of this post was just to admit that I was wrong in my choice of words.

    -Cheers,

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  • I tried not to direct it at you directly Black Lancer. because your posts are of superior quality. It was that your post was the latest in a string of threads I read during the day which used the same "hyperbole for effect" argument. It is a natural human behavioral thing so it is not wrong to use it as long as we understand it is a feeling, not a fact. :)

    There has been about 4 similar arguments in 3 seperate VS threads. Both pro/con the VS-direction. You had the bad luck of being the latest I read when I had too much time on my hand... :)
  • Yes very motivated, so much so got a VS army! As a casual player, there are lots of fun options and whizzboom features which nicely match with the prior lore. Groups of casters/assassins/specialists makes sense and the whole army has a disposable feel, which suits a carefree playstyle (similar to old ong, you had to accept those 1s for animosity!). It'll take a while to paint up but hopefully get some games in while the LAB is changing. Only thing I'd like to change is the hereditary spell, feels quite complicated and I don't have rat swarms anyway, but happy enough to pick from witchcraft/thaumaturgy/occultism
  • Quick question, I have not really seen any batreps with the new book after @SkavenInAZ with the first release. Has anyone come across any that they could share? Seeing the army move on the table could boost motivation and help shift away from theoryhammer.
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  • Took some time to come to the conclusion, but no i am not motivated anymore to play this book in the current form.

    For me the main reasons are;
    1) I like to think that me and my friends are verry close to each other, compaired to skill level in t9A. But with this book i don't feel competitive. I don't have this problem with my other 2 army's BH en HBE. I used to have a +/- 50/50 win - loss rate. Now i almost don't win any games. So maybe the skill level of this army is to high for me.

    2) I think the army is to much focused on Dis bubbel and when your General dies its game over. Ofcourse the option for a BSB that takes over the eagle banner makes up for this a bit but then i come to point 3

    3) the low amount of character points makes building a army list in de character section quite restrictive. BSB is important because what i wrote in point 2; if you want master level spells you need 3 wizards, you have a general in the Senator that only gives Dis or de dictator but he has imo less synergy with the other wizards.

    4) the big blocks in bus formation and the bubbel play/ range of eagle standards 6 makes it so you have 2 play your units close to each other, which makes our blocks even less manoeuvrable. This als opens up our huge flanks. And because of the bubble meganism and Dis 6 i find it difficult to protect them. A Dis7 unit or a fearless unit (for instance the Doomspark ) would help help alot here.

    For now i will shelve my VS army and hope for some improvements on these points. BH it is!! For all the people who still enjoy playing the LAB in its current form. Have Fun!

    The post was edited 3 times, last by Bulls Eye ().

  • da_griech wrote:

    ... almost missed THAT important VS poll, so thought I'd reshare it (in case I'm not the only one)
    VS LAB Base Size Survey and Discussion
    How did you almost miss it? We have it as an Announcement on the News section and posted in the VS Discussion forum and outside of the forum. What else can we do to make sure there is more participation? We can’t text people or send them emails. Is this a situation in which someone just never checks the News or forums (for whatever reasons) or is there something more that the Project could do ? Needing to know for the future. Thanks.
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  • skipschnit wrote:

    da_griech wrote:

    ... almost missed THAT important VS poll, so thought I'd reshare it (in case I'm not the only one)
    VS LAB Base Size Survey and Discussion
    How did you almost miss it? We have it as an Announcement on the News section and posted in the VS Discussion forum and outside of the forum. What else can we do to make sure there is more participation? We can’t text people or send them emails. Is this a situation in which someone just never checks the News or forums (for whatever reasons) or is there something more that the Project could do ? Needing to know for the future. Thanks.
    Guess it's for people like me who kind of already abandonned the VS and don't check the general news-dashboard that often. I rather focus on "notifications", therefore re-sharing things like this in threads where discussions like this are ongoing might help.

    So my proposal: Share that there is a poll about VS base sizes in topics where VS base sizes are being discussed (critisized) :)
  • Thanks. It was posted here: the-ninth-age.com/community/in…a-discussions/&pageNo=126

    ValourUnbound wrote:

    Is this the thread we do all the chatting in?

    VS LAB Base Size Survey and Discussion
    It was post 2515, I believe, so a pretty well used forum. Is that on your notifications? Are they set? I ask, because sometimes I don’t get notified of posts when I know that I’m a participant. So, just making sure our bases are covered.
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