Problem:
Hell fire is not flaming, this is needlessly confusing. A name change would fix this IMO. "dark lighting"


EDIT: also I find the hellmaw confusing. I think its effect is cool, just I forget the details.

Wretched Ones

The problem with them is their random movement rule. They are a very strong pick against lightly armored infantry when taken in bigger numbers, and given their effectiveness it feels wrong that they can just move into combat with opponents with no charge reactions allowed from the opponent. I see this lack of player agency as a problem with the random movement rule in general, but since the BRB remains in "rule freeze" nothing can be done about that at the moment. Wretched Ones should use normal movement rules.

I also mark wretched ones.
Big units with 6 models are really problematic for quite a lot of units/armies with low armour.

With no effective shooting against wretched ones, e.g., DL and BH units have a hard time against 6d6+6 autohits. Lowering the number of hits and/or the spike potential a bit, would help (could be 2d3 or only d6 hits).

On the other hand, against other armies AP 0 is quite lackluster, what makes the unit hard to price.

Change "Release the Hounds" for Vanguard (12"). We can all see that rule for what it is, old guideline restriction meant no Vanguard at all, so instead the designers wrote it out in longhand. Just change it to what it should be and save some complexity.

1. Infantry lords, are to expsive with gear for what they can do. It can be solved by point's. But would require different structures of cost added to model so that any mount option increases equipment cost.

2. Choosen infantry - they lack some banner/supporting unit that could help them push.

3. Random mover's - 3D6 it's to problematic on unbreakable R6 5++, with grings, and always paying their attacks back. Also Wreched Ones are a problem. No charge reaction, charge direction 360, and overrun/pursue 3d6, giving small chance to run away even to cavalery. It's too much. Reduce random movement in pursue and overrun at least.

Scythed Skywheel is just bad. I would do something about it. I can't remember the last time I would've seen one in an army list let alone on the battle field.
Forsworn seem bad with any option other than spiked shields.

Armour with 5+ vs toxic attacks:
Whenever I see a new LAB i can't help but think of "where's the toxic attacks to trigger hellforged armour". But forcing toxic attacks into LAB's sometimes doesn't feel right. Like where in KoE can this fit? ...but there is lots of high sources of AP.
Just feels weird that WDG with their magical plate have a very specific defense against a very underused brb rule.


Hellmaw:
I don't know what this does and probably never will.

Wretched ones in general, too many good things in one unit, something needs to be cut down

Wretched ones should for start not break basic book grinding attacks rule that explicit only allows grinds when in base contact.

1. Wretched one far too mobile with an item auto include that make them reroll their movement.
2. Exalted herald magic selection having access to additional range and spell that he can throw safely behing cover and out of lign of sigh.

1. Exalted herald. He is too versatile for the points.
2. Hellmaw - i lookted into the discusion and alot of ppls calls for nerf of this. I only wanted to show some love for it I never played WDG, i actualy lost a game at ETC only becose the hellmaw, but i still stand on it is funny and intresting part of the game. It is realy hard to play vs it, its challenging, it rewards good play. I think its nice, and it gives some special identity to WDG. Maybe, let it hurt more the stuff it teleports (mainly barbarians), but keep it in.

1) Herald - more flexible, better protect, easier to hide, easier to heal and more mobile than an occultism dragon. Yet 2/300 pts cheaper. Way under costed.

2) Skywheel, never seen it.

Seen and like everything else.

I still feel the Warriors of the dark gods is more about non-warrior (infantry in general) models.

I would like to see the infantry get a bit more help

I'd like to be frightened of Chosen (instead of 'a bit wary')

Top Concern

Since many others have pointed to Wretched Ones (correctly so), I'll add a little nuance:

Stacking Large-Based Models
The ability to take (and the prevalence of) A) 2x Wretched + 5 Chosen Knights, or; B) Chosen Knights + Feldraks + Forsworn or C) 2x 5 Chosen Knights and 2x 6 Wretched Ones is unbelievable. There's no army-list building penalty for creating a list that some armies cannot deal with, and you can't play avoidance against it because it's all fast and large-based, covering the entire table.

Kind regards,

Axiem

Exalted Herald is still an issue for me. Most versatile model in the game; kills with ranged magic, gives out guiding light for discipline, can be very fighty in combat against different types of units, and many armies cannot deal with it. The problem is that you choose the 2 manifestations before deployment, whereas they should be picked on the army list.

Wretched Ones in units of 5 or 6 are just wrong. Against some armies they auto win the centre of the board. Their mechanics are fine imo, but their damage output is the problem considering they always strike and auto hit. D6+1 from both ranks with Evo magic is too much. Only front rank should get to attack.

Hellmaw is too complex to properly understand, especially for entry level or casual players. It usually leads to very weird avoidance games, not fun at all, and often some aspect of the rules is played wrong. The entry literally needs a whole page to it self. This is a perfect place where we can cut down complexity.

I think Infantry is a bit to weird spot. Cant really spot the problem really. I guess they just get outshined by large, fast or single models in special. And core is fine but perhaps just points. Have yet to see non mark units.

Entrohpic aura is for me a problem. I always play human races and quite frankly i have zero counterplay vs him. Make the fight a 1on1 fight with pure stats? what should i do. If he is on a single model? That is fine. but inside a unit? not anymore. This unit becomes a deadzone

Hellmaw? never seen it lol