MINIHAMMER, 10mm portable adventures in the Ninth Age

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    • MINIHAMMER, 10mm portable adventures in the Ninth Age

      Hello everyone!

      How wonderfull to see that this community and ruleset is alive and thriving with so many nice things to look at!
      Ofcourse, I have gotten into T9A with my friends aswell, but I rather wanted to go for something a little different.

      Here's the thing: I have a Swedish partner and I am from the Netherlands myself, so that means...a lot of travelling... and a small appartement...
      So, I wanted something portable, something that could fit in a single carry case.
      And I'm not talking just an army, I am talking 2 armies (to play with a friend), terrain, a battlefield to play on, measurement, dice, templates, movement trays and stuff to write your rosters on. Having done some 10mm SAGA (Dark Ages), the answer was simple:

      MINIHAMMER!

      So what is MINIHAMMER? Pretty much T9A, just using 10mm miniatures and having halved EVERYTHING. We're using 24" by 36" battlefields (ideal for every kitchen table) and we have custom made bases and movement trays. (20x20mm = 10x10mm, 25x50mm = 12,5x25mm etc.)
      Luckily, my Swedish friends up North we're enthausiastic about this idea and we now have a great tale of X gamers going, with our first "mini tournament" scheduled for this Sunday and big plans for a local gaming convention in May.
      Another great advantage was that there's a lot of manufacturers out there with amazing models...and it's dirt cheap...

      So, we have the following (yes, we are Neeeeeeerds! :D :(
      Lord Danny (me): Kingdom of Equitaine, Goblins
      Lord Albin: Sylvian Elves
      Lord Daniel: Saurian Ancients
      Lord Michael: Empire of Sonnstahl
      Lord Anton: Troll Khans
      Lord Kim: Deamon Legions

      "Ok, so, good talk, where's the pictures mate?"

      Fine! :P

      First off, some "Knights of the Grail" and a Knight of the Realm champion






      Some Work in Progress:


      The first to actually finish a army, Albin's awesome Sylvian Elves:


      And here is some first try outs witht the concept and portable battlefield/terrain. Turned out to be a blast! (Saurian Ancients vs. Goblins and Saurian Ancients vs. Empire of Sonnstahl.)






      So that's that (so far)! We hope you guys like it and we'll post more later! :D

      EDIT: HERE IS A LIST OF IMPORTANT LINKS:

      MINIATURES:
      Magister Militum store: magistermilitum.com/scale/10mm.html
      Eureka Miniatures store: eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_100_101
      Polar Fox Miniatures store: http://www.polarfox.info/10mm_Minia…/cat2627800_2334741.aspx
      Laran Miniatures store (Chaos Warriors): laranminiatures.bigcartel.com/
      Pendraken Miniatures store: https://pendraken.co.uk/fantasy-warband/
      Kallistra Miniatures store: https://www.kallistra.co.uk/?page=19

      MINIHAMMER BASES:
      war-bases: warbases.co.uk/?product=premier-bases-minihammer-10mm

      COMMUNITY:
      Minihammer facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1776977859208547



      - Danny

      The post was edited 3 times, last by Lord Gnarkill ().

    • This is a great concept! Really nice paintjobs as well :) Portability is very convenient if you can put both miniatures and the terrain in a single box and then carry it to the shop or your friend's place.

      May I suggest a printed cloth gaming mat as well in addition to the terrain? Deep cut studios for example has a variety of designs available and they should be very portable.

      The post was edited 2 times, last by Dethos ().

    • Hello! How nice to see all the positive comments!

      It really motivates us as a group to continue with our efforts!

      Dethos wrote:

      Dethos wrote:

      May I suggest a printed cloth gaming mat as well in addition to the terrain? Deep cut studios for example has a variety of designs available and they should be very portable.
      Great tip! Our group member Anton is currently having an interest in it!

      Weiss wrote:

      Weiss wrote:

      Very, very good idea for frequent travelers like me. I should follow your lead.

      Actually, we might want to open a dedicated section on this website for it !
      Join the club I'd say! And who knows? :)

      To all the questions about the models, the models come from a variety of sources: Magister Militum, Pendraken, Eureka Miniatures, Warmaster and a Russian Chap named Алексей Белянин, but I forgot his company name.

      So, this week I finished some Yeomen:








      But way more excitingly, we had a get together and played some games. Anton faced his Forest Trolls (Ogres) versus Albin's Wood Elves and I faced my Kingdom of Equitaine against Daniel's Saurian Ancients, who rolled snake eyes three bloody times when he needed it for his breaktests, they surely are cold blooded!









      The Knights of the Grail sliced through Daniel's Cavalry


      But they were no match for his coldblooded infantry and his general. They held out for 3 turns and rolled bloody well on their Ld tests!




      The battles ended in a 12-8 for Anton and his Trolls and a 10-10 for me and Daniel.

      After these battles, we decided for a 2vs2. The belligerents would be an alliance of Forest Trolls and Saurian Ancients defending their Temple and the forest from the encroaching forces of the Kingdom of Equitaine and the Empire of Sonnstahl, lead by the fearsome General Mike. (Michael)

      The human settlement:


      The first round. Mike and me decided to deploy everything at once, which turned out to be catastrophic as our left flank was far too weak and on top of that, Daniel and Anton focussed on the village for some extra covercover from the human artillery and missile fire. So a full retreat from the left flank as reinforcement from the Knights on the right flank were on their way.



      From there on, the Knights charged the skirmishers in the grain fields who fled and the Knights got re-directed into the Saurus Infantry, together with the Imperial Knights. The Knights of the Grail and Peasants took care of all the left overs on the right flank (the Giant, Sabretusk and Trolls with ranged weapons in the woods) and the Knights who charged the Saurus infantry completely annihilated the unit. Luckily for Mike and me, Daniel had the Dice Gods in his favour once again as he rolled -yet another- snake eyes and that eventually turned the battle in their favour and Anton and Daniel claimed victory for nature itself!


      And last but not leat, as the Elves had enough of all the bloodshed that day, their leader Albin decided it was time to paint some reinforcements of his own.

      And that's our endevours so far!
      From all the guys in the our MINIHAMMER group: thanks for the nice words and we hope you like our stuff!

      - Danny

      The post was edited 2 times, last by Lord Gnarkill ().

    • Really cool mate ! Good job and thanks for the idea !!

      Might be good to have a list of 10mm companies for each armies (if it exists). I'm aware of EoS and KoE , apparently SE also !

      But what about other armies ?

      Does everything works fine when "halfing" everything ?

      Do you Half also unit size or it's just scale ?

      Thanks !
    • Scorbol wrote:

      Really cool mate ! Good job and thanks for the idea !!

      Might be good to have a list of 10mm companies for each armies (if it exists). I'm aware of EoS and KoE , apparently SE also !

      But what about other armies ?

      Does everything works fine when "halfing" everything ?

      Do you Half also unit size or it's just scale ?

      Thanks !
      Just the scale of things.
      All the rules and unit sizes are the same, the models are just smaller.
      Would be fun to have lists of these companies, true.
      It's okay, it has frenzy.

      Just Flank It © KoE - Tactics 101
    • I also have a question about scale.

      The minis you show are 10mm ? What do you think about 15 or 18 ? Why choose 10 specifically ?

      Has anyone a scale comparison between these small minis so we can get an idea ?

      I think this should be sticked at the top !

      Small scale minis are cheap and it will take much less space to play. You guys are genious haha ! Wish I thought of it !

      But seriously this could help a lot of people getting into this game !
    • Lord Anton here.

      After the release of Age of Sigmar, the Warhammer Fantasy Community in town crumbled as fast as an Undead Horde without a leader. A few people started playing Age of Sigmar. Others found their new salvation in Malifaux, Lord of the Rings or WarmaHordes. Many converted to the heretic faith of Warhammer 40 000 ;) . Myself, however, could not. How much I even tried, I didn't feel quite right playing miniatures games without moving those infantry blocks around, getting that epic feel to every battle. My hopes for Age of Sigmar were sky high and upon release, with all it's flaws and the fact that they had killed my favorite game, I couldn't even go back to 8th ed. I soon heard about 9th Age but for various personal reasons I didn't even read the rules.

      Some time ago, however, I felt ready to start playing again since I had missed it too much. My friend Danny had this idea about Minihammer and even though I just wanted to play and not start a new army (I already have like 6 painted of those ranging from 2500pts to 6000pts) I looked into it. I did first decide that I didn't want to participate despite the low cost because of the time it would take to paint the army (I never play with unpainted models). Then I realised that I could simply use my gnoblar models and use them as Ogres and suddently I already had like 5000pts of painted Minihammer miniatures. I ordered a few more models and then I was set to go.

      After the gaming night at my place I was suddently in love with the scale and I am now impatientely waiting for my tiny Undying Dynasties Army to arrive (Polar Miniatures). While I have been waiting for my own army I offered Lord Mikael to paint his and I can say that it goes pretty fast to paint on this scale and thanks to shades, pretty easy as well as the shades takes out the details that are too small and/or too difficult to paint by hand.

      Pros.
      • Faster and easier to paint.
      • More space to have your arms, books, mugs and dice etc while playing, making the gaming board itself cleaner as well (which is a big plus for me who likes my gaming board to look like a battlefield and not like a game board. The immersion is important for me for some reason).
      • Much cheaper - both miniatures and terrain - meaning that you can have your woods actually look like forests and play at tournaments even if you are poor. Warhammer do no longer need to be just a middle/higher class hobby.
      • Easier to pack and since of the lower weight, lower risk of damaging the models when traveling (the heavier they are the harder they fall).
      • Many of your old 28mm scale models can be used in 10mm, like Dryads acting like Tree (Wo)Men, Skeletons as Bone Giants or Gnoblars as Ogres.
      Cons.

      • Even though I haven't tried it myself yet, spraying the models before painting might be a bad idea because of the tiny details that might get lost by doing so. On the other hand, since the models are so small, coating the model by hand with paint isn't that time-consuming.
      • The conversion options are limited. I personally think that the most fun part of the hobby is to convert models and make them your own (as you can see on my Forest Trolls/Ogres/Gnoblars in Gnarkill's post above) but with this scale it is hard to do that on the infantry models. Convering giants and other monsters is possible though as they are roughly the size of 28mm models.
      • Halving distances while playing can be a bit confusing at first, especially when charging but after some practice you'll get around it. Alternatively you can make new rulers for yourself (where 1/2 inch is marked as 1 inch, and 5 inches is marked as 10 etc.)
      Overall, I actually think this should be the Standard Scale for new players. The upward hill of starting a new Warhammer 28mm army is too steep for most new (and many old) players both considering money and time. This idea might be small in scale but very big in potential!

      As someone asked for 10mm scale compared to normal 28mm models, I took these pictures (thanks to Dethos for the tip about Deep Cut Studio Mats):




      The post was edited 9 times, last by Lord Mosstroll ().

    • Giladis wrote:

      This is so cool. Just so that you know there are plans to introduce a 10mm game for the 9th Age setting at some point in the future.
      Very exciting! 10mm scale looks like it's a way for new players to start without having to invest heinous amounts of time and money into miniatures. With 10mm veteran players can quickly (and cheaply) build multiple armies, you can even travel over to a friends place with your armies in tow, set them up on his kitchen table and have a match!

      The pros of 10mm are amazing. I'm not huge on painting, I like what it does but the amount of time it takes really makes me try procrastinate as hard as I can. Not sure how the distances work if the miniatures are 10mm and you halve the distances. Probably looks weird to move your infantry 2-3 inches for the first few games. A whopping 4" if you march. :D
      It's okay, it has frenzy.

      Just Flank It © KoE - Tactics 101
    • I'm a huge fan of this concept even though it might be hard now to try it out with my fellow gamers because we already have 28mm armies.

      But I'm going to try because it allows you to build army cheaper and faster and also to play on more tables at home. It's always difficult to bring 2 games at home, sometimes even one with a big 28mm table !

      I think gamewise there are only pros ! Of course the down is about hobby possibilities, and well it's ok because we can have fun with 28mm :)

      May I ask where you got your imperial pikemen ? @Lord Mosstroll ?

      And again it would be great for those who already have 10mm armies to link companies !

      And I also have a question, why not using 15mm ? Is it less popular ? Because 28mm divided by 2 is closer to 15 than 10 mm. Just asking !

      Cheers !
    • First off, I want to thank everyone here for all the nice, motivational and supportive comments and likes.
      Cheers for you and all the anonymous watchers and likers!

      Scorbol wrote:

      I'm a huge fan of this concept even though it might be hard now to try it out with my fellow gamers because we already have 28mm armies.
      Thanks! Glad to hear people other than my friends like the idea!

      Scorbol wrote:

      May I ask where you got your imperial pikemen ? @Lord Mosstroll ?
      Anton, Mosstroll, has his trolls and soon undead. Mike has Empire. He bought the miniatures from a selection made at Pendraken.co.uk

      Scorbol wrote:

      And again it would be great for those who already have 10mm armies to link companies !


      And I also have a question, why not using 15mm ? Is it less popular ? Because 28mm divided by 2 is closer to 15 than 10 mm. Just asking !

      Cheers !

      There's a list of companies in my previous comment, or what do you mean? ^^

      I did some 10mm SAGA (Dark and Viking Age skirmish game) before but the main reason I choose 10mm was because everything scaled down by 50%, means working with a 10x10mm base for regular infantry (20x20mm in 28mm scale). The 10mm models simply scale better with a small base size like that, especially in a unit. They just dont touch each other, 15mm would be a hell to mount them in cramped unit formations following this scaling down. Therefore, 10mm it was.
      I also was happily suprised you got so many in a bag! My average unit was about 3 Chariots/Artillery, 12-15 cavalry or 30 infantry for about 5,5 British Pounds (EUR6,50 $7,-) per pack. What more do you want, right?!

      So, to add my PRO-CON list:

      PRO:
      - EASY
      (Read: PERFECT) to bring and deploy. It can literally be like a boardgame you can play on almost every kitchen table (24inches x 36 inches) [I keep all my stuff to play in 1 Feldherr Miniature Carry Case (Maxi). I Have: 2 rulers, paper roster sheet, dicebox, woundcounters, premade lists (1k, 1,5k, 2k, 3k) for KoE and Goblins, a pencil and eraser, 2 24x36inch cloths, "forest base shape cloths", 1 3k+ KoE army, 1 3k+ Goblin army, 36 Trees in various colors/types, 6 x 3inch fences, 8 Buildings/Scenery to make 2 seperate small medieval villages and all the movement trays I (might) need.]

      - Affordable
      The scenery, miniatures, accesoiries all come in very affordable packs from a great variety of specialised manufacturers from all over the world. [An average army in our group was between EUR30,- to EUR70,- excluding an average of EUR15,- for custom bases and movement trays per army. We're talking 4k+ in points and about 5-9different miniature packs each.]

      - A Really Fun Scale!
      Quite Frankly, ever since I went to make some 10mm SAGA in 2015, I havent paid much attention to 28mm. It's a really fun scale to work with (making terrain is a blast!), the miniatures paint up relatively quick but what I love most is the visuals. A well painted and detailed block of 30 infantry on a 5,5 by 6,5cm little tray in the palm of your hand just has something about it. What's even better is when you field it all together. It feels like a scale MADE for "MASS BATTLES" in a landscape wich is now easier to make inside your kitchen itself!

      - A Word on Painting
      I really enjoy painting 10mm! 3-5 colors on a model and then giving it a good wash, gives u a fair, tabletop finish, especially if fielded alltogether. I personally love to do extra layers and highlights on the model, because yes: IF you want, you can actually bring out detail and make it pop in 10mm, but the fun part is for those fast or "Ugh...Painting"...type folks, you dont have to. Following just the first step will get you a average of 30 standard infantry, in a evening, with fair results.

      CONS:
      - Fragile
      Truth must be told, the models are generally quite fragile. One drop on the floor, one wrong pick up from the table, 1 sharp nail.... well, thing is, its small, thin metal figurines and I wont lie telling you I bend the flagpoles multiple times now and 2 of my spears have broken. They are as thin as a paperclip, made of the white metal you used to clip away as excess on your 28mm metal figures.
      [There is hope, tho, a simple way of fixing this is: some extra care. I bought special foamtrays to transport them in, I give them a good bath before painting, I avoid dirty/greasy hands when touching them (example, snacks during games), I coat the miniatures in a very thinned down Revell clear coat varnish and I harden the foliage on all bases with PVA glue.

      Update:

      So, no picture updates, but a little update none the less. I had a little break, as me and my girl went back to Holland from Sweden for a while and having spend some good evenings in Amsterdam, was wise enough to pack me all my "Bretonnians" / "KoE" / "Awesome Medieval Men in Tights and Mailcoats riding Fancy Horses" .

      So, soon I'll be starting on one of the units, but maybe you guys have a request?
      - 1 King on Gryphon
      - 3 Pegasus Knights
      - 2 x 9 Knights of the Realm
      - Characters (mounted and foot)
      - 2 x 30 Peasant Levy
      - 1 x 30 Peasant Bowmen
      - 1 x Yeomen
      - 1 x Scratchbuilt Trebuchet

      I also, as a treat for paiting, will work on my first (of hopefully many) Castles. First Castle will be a quickly ensembled Motte and Bailey Castle/Outpost I am going to attempt to fit on a 18x12cm base.
      Cheers and all the best,

      Danny

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Lord Gnarkill ().